8335La, 9335NY, and more review

miles71 · 10-22-2006, 05:23 PM

Sorry for the long post but here it goes.........

Over the years I have been fortunate enough to make some great friends. Due to this I have a 9335NY, 8335LA, 9445Chicago C, Schlke S42 and B1 in my possession; as well as my 8335RGS and 8445GS C trumpet. I will be writing reviews on these horns over the next week or so before the Maryland Trumpet Day. All of these horns will be on display on Nov 5th at the event.

At the time of this entry I have had the instruments for about two days. I will be using a GR Tech 65L and 64.7S for the play tests.

Blind Test: Mouthpiece GR65L
This test was done at my home with my wife, a music teacher and band director, listening for richness of tone, ease of tone production, a “musical” sound, intonation, response, and tone body. She also just plain said which one she liked best. I played scales, exercises, some simple and more complex legit excerpts, some jazz real book tunes, and some lead lines. The results where interesting.
In the legit setting the Chicago C was hands down our favorite. The ease of tone and intonation are superb. The ease of playing this instrument is very nice. You are able to not worry about notes and just play music. The richness has a nice body to the tone and this instrument can be almost “buttery” when you back off and just let it play. On more aggressive stuff the instrument barks but doesn’t lose its nice flavor. I do think my 8445GS is a nice C trumpet and fills my needs just fine, I would still recommend it to anyone. However, If I was trying to get an orchestral gig or had the money, the Chicago is my choice. (While I do not have a NY C in my possession I have played one in the past and still liked the Chicago.)
The Bb horns where the surprise. 90% of the time the LA model was chosen as the favorite. This surprised me since I felt it was a brighter horn than normal. However, I was told repeatedly it was the nicest and roundest sound out of them all. The Schilke models played well, but had to much edge for the legit stuff. At higher dynamics they can really sizzle, but the Yamahas held a more consistent sound throughout the dynamic range. The LA and NY where close but the LA was chosen more often for it stone and musical sound. I was told it sounded easy and it didn’t sound like I was trying very hard to play. The RGS has a nice sound and plays well in tune, but sometimes needs to be pushed to hard and becomes “dead” sounding. Also, the old feedback problem, it is hard to hear yourself. I had given up on this until I played the LA and NY Bb’s. From the players side the NY feels wonderful, the notes slot well, intonation is superb, tone is rich and full, however I thought the resistance was a little to much. I felt myself having to push harder than on the LA.
After changing to the GR64.7S I did some lead lines and real book heads. The Schilkes lead sound was spectacular, but the RGS and the LA where by far the best lead horns.

Brass Quintet: Mouthpiece GR65L
I took the horns to a rehearsal and let the guys in the group know there would be a test at the end of the rehearsal. I rotated the NY, LA, and RGS in as we rehearsed. The Schilkes stayed at home this week, but will take the trip next time. Again, I was surprised.
In this situation I would have thought the NY would be far superior, however again the LA won the test. (The French horn player saying one, “that one!! I don’t know which one it is but that one!!”). The more I play the LA the more I feel the tone is fattening. The sound was easy to blend and had an ease to it the others do not have. Yeah, this is a “lead” horn and it seems to be at home in a small chamber group. The larger bell does not hinder the players feedback, if anything it helps with the French bead. Intonation was easy and the tone held in different dynamics. The NY is also a great horn, playing very well, but the LA won.

Jazz Band: Mouthpiece GR64.7S
I am a High School Band Director and have the opportunity to play these horns in many settings. I sometimes play along with my jazz groups and figured this would be a great time to see what these horns can do. (I have always had a fairly good range so this was fun.) The trumpets had a sectional on “Sandunga” (and Arturo piece) and I sat in with the NY and LA. (I know what the RGS will do). The NY is a good lead horn, still maintaining all of the same traits that make it a great legit horn, but the resistance is a factor at the upper ranges. I have always had a good range so this was fun. The NY cuts through nicely and stays consistent up through G above high C. My RGS also has a great lead sound and plays a bit more open than the NY.
Then I tried the LA……Wow. This horn gets HUGE in the upper register. The big bell just rings out as you play and has a more open feel than the NY. This is not just a big “Z” horn either, it plays big and you can just back off and sound nice too. I had not problem bouncing off of the wall in the room. This instrument stays consistent and huge throughout the range (I got from low G to C above High C with a big sound). My kids wanted to know how much it was so they could get one.
During class with the entire group the LA again outperformed the NY. I had no problem being heard over this fairly strong Jazz Ensemble. The more I play the LA the more I like it. If you just lay back and play the horn does the work. It is an open blow but with enough resistance that is felt farther away from the player.

When I started this whole thing I was sure the NY would be the winning horn by far, but at this time I definitely favoring the LA. I also still like the RGS as an all around horn. One thing I am convinced of, I do not think there is such an animal as an all around trumpet. Even with the LA playing as it has, I do not know how it would do in a large concert band or orchestra. I also fear I may be on another horn safari (my wallet just sighed). As I experience new instruments I will try to keep up the posts. I have recently played a Taylor Chicago II a former student has and was very impressed.

I hope to see you at the Maryland Trumpet Day if you are able to try these great horns. More to come.

40cal · 10-22-2006, 07:58 PM

Miles71,

Thanks for the good review. I often look at other horns and "wonder" what they are like, and realize no matter how great of a trumpet I play on it will not make me a great trumpet player

I was especially interested in your review of the LA model.

We are certainly in a good time where there are a lot of great trumpets available to choose from.

bandman · 10-22-2006, 10:39 PM

Great review -- I look forward to seeing how you feel about them in a few weeks. How long do you have them for your trial period?

miles71 · 10-23-2006, 02:41 PM

I have these instruments until the Trumpet Day I am hosting on Nov. 5th. I am still really enjoying the LA model

connloyalist · 10-23-2006, 03:11 PM

Interesting! As it happens I was talking to our conductor the other day. He is a professional trumpet player in a military band (in the Netherlands). He said the entire trumpet section of that band went to a large dealer recently. They asked the dealer to lay our 10 or so different trumpets. Each of these players then proceeded to blind test each trumpet and write down their thoughts.

The result? Unanimous: the Yamaha 9335CHS came out best.

Regards, Christine

miles71 · 11-06-2006, 03:09 PM

The saga continues. I cleared out my band room for the Md trumpet Day and figured it would be a great time to do some recording. The room is a large rehearsal room and had nothing left when I was don. I used a sure sm58 mic and a sony mini disk recorder. I have narrowed my "likes" down to the LA model, and at the time had a laq. and silver one.

I recorded myslef doing some scales, etudes, some real book heads, and some lead stuff. I was surprised what I found from the recordings. From behind the horn I thought the laq. was darker and richer sounding, more diffused in its projection, and not as even in the ranges. I thought the silver was very bright and slotted great, but was a bit harsh upstairs. When i played back the recording I had a hard time telling them apart!! The sound was nice and the even and the tone was much nicer than I could hear from behind the instrument.

Moral of the story, either horn will do a great job. the LA is a great all around horn and should be given serious consideration.

Now I have a few Stage 1's......................review to follow.

10-22-2006, 05:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 472	8335La, 9335NY, and more review Sorry for the long post but here it goes......... Over the years I have been fortunate enough to make some great friends. Due to this I have a 9335NY, 8335LA, 9445Chicago C, Schlke S42 and B1 in my possession; as well as my 8335RGS and 8445GS C trumpet. I will be writing reviews on these horns over the next week or so before the Maryland Trumpet Day. All of these horns will be on display on Nov 5th at the event. At the time of this entry I have had the instruments for about two days. I will be using a GR Tech 65L and 64.7S for the play tests. Blind Test: Mouthpiece GR65L This test was done at my home with my wife, a music teacher and band director, listening for richness of tone, ease of tone production, a “musical” sound, intonation, response, and tone body. She also just plain said which one she liked best. I played scales, exercises, some simple and more complex legit excerpts, some jazz real book tunes, and some lead lines. The results where interesting. In the legit setting the Chicago C was hands down our favorite. The ease of tone and intonation are superb. The ease of playing this instrument is very nice. You are able to not worry about notes and just play music. The richness has a nice body to the tone and this instrument can be almost “buttery” when you back off and just let it play. On more aggressive stuff the instrument barks but doesn’t lose its nice flavor. I do think my 8445GS is a nice C trumpet and fills my needs just fine, I would still recommend it to anyone. However, If I was trying to get an orchestral gig or had the money, the Chicago is my choice. (While I do not have a NY C in my possession I have played one in the past and still liked the Chicago.) The Bb horns where the surprise. 90% of the time the LA model was chosen as the favorite. This surprised me since I felt it was a brighter horn than normal. However, I was told repeatedly it was the nicest and roundest sound out of them all. The Schilke models played well, but had to much edge for the legit stuff. At higher dynamics they can really sizzle, but the Yamahas held a more consistent sound throughout the dynamic range. The LA and NY where close but the LA was chosen more often for it stone and musical sound. I was told it sounded easy and it didn’t sound like I was trying very hard to play. The RGS has a nice sound and plays well in tune, but sometimes needs to be pushed to hard and becomes “dead” sounding. Also, the old feedback problem, it is hard to hear yourself. I had given up on this until I played the LA and NY Bb’s. From the players side the NY feels wonderful, the notes slot well, intonation is superb, tone is rich and full, however I thought the resistance was a little to much. I felt myself having to push harder than on the LA. After changing to the GR64.7S I did some lead lines and real book heads. The Schilkes lead sound was spectacular, but the RGS and the LA where by far the best lead horns. Brass Quintet: Mouthpiece GR65L I took the horns to a rehearsal and let the guys in the group know there would be a test at the end of the rehearsal. I rotated the NY, LA, and RGS in as we rehearsed. The Schilkes stayed at home this week, but will take the trip next time. Again, I was surprised. In this situation I would have thought the NY would be far superior, however again the LA won the test. (The French horn player saying one, “that one!! I don’t know which one it is but that one!!”). The more I play the LA the more I feel the tone is fattening. The sound was easy to blend and had an ease to it the others do not have. Yeah, this is a “lead” horn and it seems to be at home in a small chamber group. The larger bell does not hinder the players feedback, if anything it helps with the French bead. Intonation was easy and the tone held in different dynamics. The NY is also a great horn, playing very well, but the LA won. Jazz Band: Mouthpiece GR64.7S I am a High School Band Director and have the opportunity to play these horns in many settings. I sometimes play along with my jazz groups and figured this would be a great time to see what these horns can do. (I have always had a fairly good range so this was fun.) The trumpets had a sectional on “Sandunga” (and Arturo piece) and I sat in with the NY and LA. (I know what the RGS will do). The NY is a good lead horn, still maintaining all of the same traits that make it a great legit horn, but the resistance is a factor at the upper ranges. I have always had a good range so this was fun. The NY cuts through nicely and stays consistent up through G above high C. My RGS also has a great lead sound and plays a bit more open than the NY. Then I tried the LA……Wow. This horn gets HUGE in the upper register. The big bell just rings out as you play and has a more open feel than the NY. This is not just a big “Z” horn either, it plays big and you can just back off and sound nice too. I had not problem bouncing off of the wall in the room. This instrument stays consistent and huge throughout the range (I got from low G to C above High C with a big sound). My kids wanted to know how much it was so they could get one. During class with the entire group the LA again outperformed the NY. I had no problem being heard over this fairly strong Jazz Ensemble. The more I play the LA the more I like it. If you just lay back and play the horn does the work. It is an open blow but with enough resistance that is felt farther away from the player. When I started this whole thing I was sure the NY would be the winning horn by far, but at this time I definitely favoring the LA. I also still like the RGS as an all around horn. One thing I am convinced of, I do not think there is such an animal as an all around trumpet. Even with the LA playing as it has, I do not know how it would do in a large concert band or orchestra. I also fear I may be on another horn safari (my wallet just sighed). As I experience new instruments I will try to keep up the posts. I have recently played a Taylor Chicago II a former student has and was very impressed. I hope to see you at the Maryland Trumpet Day if you are able to try these great horns. More to come. __________________ NYTC Stage 1 Endorsing Artist www.domenicomusic.com

10-22-2006, 07:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
40cal Forte User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,273	Miles71, Thanks for the good review. I often look at other horns and "wonder" what they are like, and realize no matter how great of a trumpet I play on it will not make me a great trumpet player I was especially interested in your review of the LA model. We are certainly in a good time where there are a lot of great trumpets available to choose from. __________________ “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my child may have peace.” Thomas Paine 1737-1809 “That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd

10-22-2006, 10:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
bandman Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA, USA Posts: 1,056	Great review -- I look forward to seeing how you feel about them in a few weeks. How long do you have them for your trial period? __________________

10-23-2006, 02:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 472	I have these instruments until the Trumpet Day I am hosting on Nov. 5th. I am still really enjoying the LA model __________________ NYTC Stage 1 Endorsing Artist www.domenicomusic.com

10-23-2006, 03:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
connloyalist Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 66	Interesting! As it happens I was talking to our conductor the other day. He is a professional trumpet player in a military band (in the Netherlands). He said the entire trumpet section of that band went to a large dealer recently. They asked the dealer to lay our 10 or so different trumpets. Each of these players then proceeded to blind test each trumpet and write down their thoughts. The result? Unanimous: the Yamaha 9335CHS came out best. Regards, Christine __________________ Main instrument: 1948 22B New York Symphony Member of the Elkhart-Conn 22B Fan Club

11-06-2006, 03:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 472	The saga continues. I cleared out my band room for the Md trumpet Day and figured it would be a great time to do some recording. The room is a large rehearsal room and had nothing left when I was don. I used a sure sm58 mic and a sony mini disk recorder. I have narrowed my "likes" down to the LA model, and at the time had a laq. and silver one. I recorded myslef doing some scales, etudes, some real book heads, and some lead stuff. I was surprised what I found from the recordings. From behind the horn I thought the laq. was darker and richer sounding, more diffused in its projection, and not as even in the ranges. I thought the silver was very bright and slotted great, but was a bit harsh upstairs. When i played back the recording I had a hard time telling them apart!! The sound was nice and the even and the tone was much nicer than I could hear from behind the instrument. Moral of the story, either horn will do a great job. the LA is a great all around horn and should be given serious consideration. Now I have a few Stage 1's......................review to follow. __________________ NYTC Stage 1 Endorsing Artist www.domenicomusic.com

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