Bach Stradivarius Models

NYTC · 08-15-2005, 12:56 PM

Hi All.
From what I understand,Bach Stradivarius has 4 different models:
25,37,43 and 72.
What is the difference?

uatrmpt · 08-15-2005, 01:12 PM

37 The Standard Trumpet Sound All Styles Easy To play, blends in with many trumpets

43 Brighter, Tighter, More Projection All Styles, Great For Lead Trumpet players and those who play in small combos, Nice Projection, Great for jazz

72 More powerful, Sounds Great in Upper register Great for Lead trumpeters in jazz bands who want a sounds that will project and be heard. Also great for symphonic players Nice projection, probably the fullest sounding bell Bach makes. High range sparkles

65 Dark, Dark, Dark!!! For the symphonic player who wants a very dark and bold sound If dark is what you are looking for, this is it!

25 Similar to the the 43 bell, but this is standard to on L bore models For those who want a very tight sounding, for those who want even a tighter sound than what the 43 and 37 deliver Nice tight sound, easy to control dynamics with

38 Similar to the 25, but a little warmer sounding Small jazz ensembles. Very warm sounding and compact. Nice warm sound

*hopes you were kidding....

*

Info taken from http://www.thebachloyalist.freeserve...BellChart.html

NYTC · 08-15-2005, 01:53 PM

Just starting a discussion and hearing opinions,that's all.

dbacon · 08-15-2005, 02:27 PM

My favorite Bach bell is the 72L on my LB Bflat. It really sings out, has the complete overtone series, sound ties together nicely at full volume. Softs are quite good, projects well at a soft volume. Fine overall instrument.

NYTC · 08-15-2005, 02:31 PM

I never actually played the 65 and 38

Any opinions?

Bruce Lee · 08-15-2005, 03:13 PM

Dave,

Is your Bach 72 an "L" for "lightweight, or is it a tuning-bell?

In the past, the lighweight models had a "*" star on the bell, to designate lightweight. That was prior to the release of the 180 Lightweight (LT) Series trumpets. "L" usually just stood for "Large Bore"... unlike the Schilke "L", which was their designation for tuning-bell.

Quote:

It really sings out, has the complete overtone series

Glad you got the one with ALL of the overtones. I hate when they leave certain ones out!

BTW... I'm still waiting to get together with you sometime.

Best always,
Bruce

dbacon · 08-16-2005, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Lee

Dave,

Is your Bach 72 an "L" for "lightweight, or is it a tuning-bell?

In the past, the lighweight models had a "*" star on the bell, to designate lightweight. That was prior to the release of the 180 Lightweight (LT) Series trumpets. "L" usually just stood for "Large Bore"... unlike the Schilke "L", which was their designation for tuning-bell.

Quote:

It really sings out, has the complete overtone series

Glad you got the one with ALL of the overtones. I hate when they leave certain ones out!

BTW... I'm still waiting to get together with you sometime.

Best always,
Bruce

Hi Bruce,

We had a discussion about the L bell with Charlie Melk, he has noticed a difference on 229/C bells with an L marked on it. Seems a bit larger in a couple of different places. My old 72L is also LT (*) and I modifyied it years ago by taking the brace off towards the end of the lead pipe. Had Cambrass put on Stomvi keys, aligned it after Bach made some new valves for me and it's really something. Re-slivered after thirty years of service. I use a Lawler that Roy made for me about four years ago for show work etc.

Yeah, I thought we might run into each other, I gave out your name for a couple of things but guess we haven't caught up with each other.

Schools on for us next week, Friday's our Staff day. Back to the kiddies!!

I'm playing with Ted Goddard's TenTet this season, we should be out and about at various gigs. How's business down your way?

brian moon · 08-16-2005, 11:00 PM

I had a 229L for years. I agree with Charlie Melk. It was definitely different than the 229s that I have seen.

In 1989 I asked the guy who was one of the bigwigs at the Selmer factory. Was his name Ted Waggoner? It was the guy in the Sounding Brass video He was in charge of the pro shop and either Bach or the whole Selmer division. He said that the L was put on the bells when they knew that it was going to put on a large bore horn, otherwise there was no difference between a 229 and a 229L. I don't think that is the whole story but that's what he said. Frank Kaderabek always liked my C better than anyone's but his. He also played a 229L.

tromj · 08-18-2005, 01:49 PM

I played a 65 for a while. It was dark, at first, but eventually, I found that surviving on the loud and ften amplified gigs I play caused me to overblow on it just to get the right kind of sizzle. Now I play a 37 bell, and work a lot more efficiently.

PhatmonB6 · 08-18-2005, 03:17 PM

NYTC, please forgive me for asking this but with your knowledge of horns, why are you even asking a question like this.

08-15-2005, 12:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,077	Bach Stradivarius Models Hi All. From what I understand,Bach Stradivarius has 4 different models: 25,37,43 and 72. What is the difference? __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

08-15-2005, 01:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
uatrmpt Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: AL Posts: 335	37 The Standard Trumpet Sound All Styles Easy To play, blends in with many trumpets 43 Brighter, Tighter, More Projection All Styles, Great For Lead Trumpet players and those who play in small combos, Nice Projection, Great for jazz 72 More powerful, Sounds Great in Upper register Great for Lead trumpeters in jazz bands who want a sounds that will project and be heard. Also great for symphonic players Nice projection, probably the fullest sounding bell Bach makes. High range sparkles 65 Dark, Dark, Dark!!! For the symphonic player who wants a very dark and bold sound If dark is what you are looking for, this is it! 25 Similar to the the 43 bell, but this is standard to on L bore models For those who want a very tight sounding, for those who want even a tighter sound than what the 43 and 37 deliver Nice tight sound, easy to control dynamics with 38 Similar to the 25, but a little warmer sounding Small jazz ensembles. Very warm sounding and compact. Nice warm sound hopes you were kidding.... Info taken from http://www.thebachloyalist.freeserve...BellChart.html __________________ --Matt--

08-15-2005, 01:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,077	Just starting a discussion and hearing opinions,that's all. __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

08-15-2005, 02:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
dbacon Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ. Posts: 579	My favorite Bach bell is the 72L on my LB Bflat. It really sings out, has the complete overtone series, sound ties together nicely at full volume. Softs are quite good, projects well at a soft volume. Fine overall instrument. __________________ Dave Bacon

08-15-2005, 02:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,077	I never actually played the 65 and 38 Any opinions? __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

08-16-2005, 11:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
brian moon Mezzo Piano User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bloomfield Township, Mich Posts: 565	I had a 229L for years. I agree with Charlie Melk. It was definitely different than the 229s that I have seen. In 1989 I asked the guy who was one of the bigwigs at the Selmer factory. Was his name Ted Waggoner? It was the guy in the Sounding Brass video He was in charge of the pro shop and either Bach or the whole Selmer division. He said that the L was put on the bells when they knew that it was going to put on a large bore horn, otherwise there was no difference between a 229 and a 229L. I don't think that is the whole story but that's what he said. Frank Kaderabek always liked my C better than anyone's but his. He also played a 229L. __________________ Revelation 3:20

08-18-2005, 01:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
tromj Piano User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Teaneck, NJ Posts: 319	65 Bell I played a 65 for a while. It was dark, at first, but eventually, I found that surviving on the loud and ften amplified gigs I play caused me to overblow on it just to get the right kind of sizzle. Now I play a 37 bell, and work a lot more efficiently. __________________ Bach 37 Yamaha 8310Z Yamaha 631 Flugel Getzen 850 Cornet Yamaha Picc Yamaha Xeno C 8445 Monette B1-5M, B1-5F, B1-5D cornet, Stork 3P, Monette C1-5M

08-18-2005, 03:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
PhatmonB6 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 668	NYTC, please forgive me for asking this but with your knowledge of horns, why are you even asking a question like this. __________________ Bach Strad 180S37 Monette B2 Well, if I could play like Wynton (Marsalis), I wouldn't play like Wynton. Chet Baker

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