Gxman

Hi

Been looking around and thinking of certain things in regard to what trumpet to buy. I wanted something that if I had to sell (due to upgrading to proffessional model) I would lose the least amount on money on. It also needed to be a good trumpet to learn on as my ear has developed over the years of being involved in music. This is where the James Morrison Trumpet came in good at $1400. Well having thought of things and where life is leading... I will be travelling 3rd world countries at months at a time doing mission work. It would be nice to take my trumpet with me and play there for children etc etc (im only 26 yrs old). Having that as part of the goal I would definatelly not use a 5000 dollar trumpet for that. That means I would need to have kept the "james Morrison" one had I baught that one. But thats quite a bit of money for something I wont always use.

So I came across this trumpet - BATR600.

This is the Bach student trumpet that comes with their proffessional quality mouth piece at 7C (worth 120) and cleaning liquid and case. Costs $625.

I was able to hear how it plays and it sounded pretty good. Not much 'worse' in sound than the 1400 dollar james morrison meaning they both sound pretty good. With this trumpet I could keep it rather than sell. The amount I would lose on selling the JM if I baught it, would pretty much be 400-600 dollars. That means I lost this entire bach trumpet that I could have had to keep at 625. Being 625 it is nice and cheap for taking with me to 3rd world countries and it sounded pretty good for that price also

To me this trumpet sounded good... what are your thoughts on it?

Also is a trumpet like a guitar... meaning, I can buy a 100 dollar guitar and yeah it sounds horrible but it will never break. Its something I can use all my life. Is a cheaper trumpet (in this case the Bach Model I pointed out) good to last me a life time or is it going to over the years cease up on me etc where it will need to go in the garbage bin?

After 2-4 solid years of 3 hours a day practice I will go get the proffessional one and thought to keep this bach one for my mission trips to 3rd world countries. Will it last me forever?

I am the kind of person that looks after his things... my guitar is over 5 years old and someone would think I never pulled it out of the box - so no need to be told 'it will last if you look after it'... I will look after it... I just heard that some cheap trumpets will eventually cease irrelivant of how the person looks after it hence I ask how long will the BATR600 bach last me.

Thanks in advance.
George

Jarrett

As long as you stay away from the cheap chinese crap (ebay, walmart) a trumpet should last you as long as you take care of it. I've got several cheaper old horns that are 30 years + that still function just fine.
Now, as far as what you've mentioned with the Bach and the "James Morrison", for what your planning on using it for, (mission work, travel) I'd really highly advise that you look towards a solid used horn (Olds Ambassador comes to mind).
You can pick one of these up fairly cheaply (couple hundred dollars at the most) and they will literally last forever if you take care of them. AAND, in my opinion, the build quality rivals that of many professional horns and surpasses ALL student horns.

Not only that, IMHO, with the quality older horns available on the market today, paying nearly $1000 for a student or intermediate line horn is simply a waste of money.

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hahahahaha I have a few Bach trumpets, you can get an old Bach strad that has the finish nearly gone, and a few dents for under a thousand, and it will still sound better than the 625. Now if you want, go for a TR300, I paid 400 for a used one with zero silver loss, and I have it as a back up horn to my 1976 Strad, cause I send her off sometimes to be pampered by cleaning chemicals. If your going that low get a Used Bach TR300 or an old breat up Strad. Have fun!

forrest

I, too, would suggest something like an Ambassador. I'd even consider going with a cornet since it would take up less space.

I'd be leery of a place that tried to sell me that horn by stating the mouthpiece was their professional model that was worth $120.

I paid $25 for my Ambassador cornet and consider it the perfect horn for travel - built like a tank and a low cost.

Brekelefuw

TR600's are pretty bad horns compared to the equivalent Yamahas.
A Bach 7C is not worth close to $120.

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After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. ~Aldous Huxley

Gxman

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I live in australia so Im not talking 300-400 dollars US but AU dollars. They all go around 825-850 depending where you get it, so 625 seemed pretty good.

As I said, I listened to the James Morrison and this one and there was not much difference in tone and I do have a good ear to pick things.

EG: The guy told me to turn around and he was gonna play 3 trumpets/cornets for me and i was to say which one sounded the best to me of the 3 and if I could tell which ones he played...

Out of the three instruments (silver cornet, gold cornet slightly longer bell, trumpet) I was able to pick exactly which one he played. He played all 3 and I said "the first one was the silver cornet, 2nd was the gold, 3rd was trumpet and I was right as my ear hears very well.

So im not just saying this trumpet sounded near as good from the stand point of someone totaly musically deaf to the james morrison. I mean for real.

What Yamaha is around the 850AU dollar retail price thats as good quality as this TR600 that will last forever?

I am not interested in a USED instrument.

Vulgano Brother

This is about as far from a double-blind test as one can get! Not only did you not get to play (you are looking for a horn for you, and not the other guy) but he knew which he was playing! Talk about built-in bias!

Uhh, I can't really see how he was able to give you an "objective" hearing. Ideally, you would be blindfolded, and allowed to pick out the horn you liked the best (or ideally, the horn that liked you the best!)

As for Bach trumpets, many here would argue that the B&S Challenger is a better "Bach," and should be less expensive as well. They are as well made, as sturdy, and off-the-shelf more consistent.

The other way to approach a new horn is to consider the valve action (especially when maybe all you have to oil them with might be gasoline or such) and in this regard Getzen gets some really high marks. Some respected folk find the blow, sound and intonation superior, others not.

Again, let the trumpet pick you!

Good luck, and have a great time!

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Brekelefuw

Yamaha YTR 1335 and 2335 are great horns for their price. I suggest he 2335 because you get the 3rd valve waterkey and 1st slide saddle.

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Schilke XA1
Bach 37 180 ML
Chinese custom horn
Yamaha 6310G
Wedge 5B, 5A and 5FLG

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. ~Aldous Huxley

Jarrett

If you want a new one. I'd always go Yamaha over Bach for consistency (strictly personal opinion) I'd agree with the 2335 series.

Whatever direction you decide to go, as long as you buy quality (Bach, yamaha etc... ) the horn's durability will be determined by how well you take care of it. They last forever with proper maintenance.

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Gxman

Hi

Thanks

I will try the Yammy 2335.

The 3 I got here which is worth looking at I guess are

Bach TR600 - Retails $850.00. I get it for $625.00

Yamaha YTR-2335 - Retails $1000.00. I get it for $800.00 (175 more than the Bach TR600 - But the bach discount was greater by $25)

Bach TR301H - Retails $1200.00. I get it for $900.00 (275 more than TR600 and 100 more than Yammy 2335, it has the greatest discount of the 3 at $300)

What you guys think of those 3?

As I said i am a beginner so I dont need to spend much money considering I will pay 5000 later for the best you can get but I do need the 'cheap one' I buy now to keep to use when I catch the plane to 3rd world countries to play to kids and adults who have never even seen a trumpet before so to them even the cheap one far as they know is a milion dollars. The trumpet would also sit with me in the plane considering its a small box so its not gonna get banged around etc. This is why I was considering the TR600 cause its not that much and if it will last forever it will do what I need in those countries... other than those countries all around here where I do live etc I would only be using the 5000 dollar one and therefor the cheap one wont be getting used constant. I also dont and wont be playing in bands as such where guitar players play where the trumpets gonna be getting used rough... only in church and taking it with me on the plane to play over there out in the open or in the school thats just been built there So the environment where it will be used is clean... for this reason I didnt think 1000 is neccessary especialy since the 1000 dollar one or the 600 dollar one will sound bad compare to the 5000 dollar one... so mayswell have the 600 one then...

Thats how i was thinking anyway.

Let me know

Cheers
G-