Bauerfeind Valves

Tootsall · 05-25-2006, 09:10 PM

To all of you people interested in these.... out of the West a website appears! (And in English, too!) Now you can find out who builds horns using them! (and be ready for a surprise).

http://bauerfeind-ventile.business.t...rameindex2.htm

NYTC · 05-25-2006, 09:30 PM

davidjohnson · 05-26-2006, 07:13 AM

thanx. that was interesting. i thought schilke & calicchio made their own valves.

manny:

was your stuck schilke valve german-made or american made?

dj

ALLCHOPS · 05-26-2006, 07:34 AM

The list is not complete... The New York Stage 1's built by Anton Possegger utilize them as well!

ALLCHOPS · 05-26-2006, 07:35 AM

The list is not complete... The New York Stage 1's built by Anton Possegger utilize them as well!

Tootsall · 05-26-2006, 10:39 AM

I think that Schilke DO make their own valves. The link to Naumann is a bad one, which means that it is no longer active. It also references Destino which, as we know now, is made by Kanstul. The link to Caliccio only references the flugelhorns.

Bruce Lee · 05-26-2006, 10:59 AM

Thanks, Ed!

Besides the makers who use them, I think that it's very important for the player to understand what makes Bauerfeind, or any other well-made valve section, a good choice, and why. Also, it's a fact of life that because of the cost of the valve sections alone, you can expect to pay more money for a trumpet/cornet/flugelhorn/piccolo, etc,. that uses the Bauerfeind valve section.

What I like about them, particularly on the Eclipse line, is the shorter "throw", or the distance that you need to push the valves down. It does allow the player to get around on the horn a little more quickly. A shorter throw may have its advantages for most, but not all. It is all about the "feel", isn't it?

Additionally, because of the stainless steel material used for the pistons, the "running in" or "break in" period does require that a bit of extra care be taken with them. More frequent cleanings, in the beginning, and the use of a high-quality oil, will result in a valve section that will make other trumpet players begin to drool, just at the way the valves feel.

Not to get off topic with this discussion, but I think that the Getzen Company makes a very fine valve section, right here in the US. They are arguably one of the best valve sections available. The Getzen valves were chosen for use on the Teatro trumpet, which Leigh McKinney and I have put together. I can't say that I'll mind having to get used to a more traditional feel for my fingers, as we've put together a very fine instrument!

Cheers,
Bruce

gus · 05-26-2006, 01:06 PM

I ave a German Trumpet that has the stainless valves from Bauerfeind 8 the best valves I ever had) , but
I didn't figured out until recently that Bauerfeind makes also monel valves

Besides they also makes different weight and stroke pistons.

Another surprising feature is that they make two part casings, like old Bachs.

Quite a lot to choose¡¡¡.-

A question to repairers, How do you think that stainless could be repaired.?

Gus

frank · 05-26-2006, 01:28 PM

Late_Bloomer · 05-26-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tootsall

To all of you people interested in these.... out of the West a website appears! (And in English, too!) Now you can find out who builds horns using them! (and be ready for a surprise).

http://bauerfeind-ventile.business.t...rameindex2.htm

thank you very much for the link

Marc

05-25-2006, 09:10 PM	#1
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05-25-2006, 09:30 PM	#2
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05-26-2006, 07:34 AM	#4
ALLCHOPS Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Saratoga Springs, N.Y. Posts: 339	The list is not complete... The New York Stage 1's built by Anton Possegger utilize them as well! __________________ www.NEWYORKPLAYERS.com www.myspace.com/TONYGAMBARO

05-26-2006, 07:35 AM	#5
ALLCHOPS Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Saratoga Springs, N.Y. Posts: 339	The list is not complete... The New York Stage 1's built by Anton Possegger utilize them as well! __________________ www.NEWYORKPLAYERS.com www.myspace.com/TONYGAMBARO

05-26-2006, 10:59 AM	#7
Bruce Lee Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOUSTON, TEXAS Posts: 463	Thanks, Ed! Besides the makers who use them, I think that it's very important for the player to understand what makes Bauerfeind, or any other well-made valve section, a good choice, and why. Also, it's a fact of life that because of the cost of the valve sections alone, you can expect to pay more money for a trumpet/cornet/flugelhorn/piccolo, etc,. that uses the Bauerfeind valve section. What I like about them, particularly on the Eclipse line, is the shorter "throw", or the distance that you need to push the valves down. It does allow the player to get around on the horn a little more quickly. A shorter throw may have its advantages for most, but not all. It is all about the "feel", isn't it? Additionally, because of the stainless steel material used for the pistons, the "running in" or "break in" period does require that a bit of extra care be taken with them. More frequent cleanings, in the beginning, and the use of a high-quality oil, will result in a valve section that will make other trumpet players begin to drool, just at the way the valves feel. Not to get off topic with this discussion, but I think that the Getzen Company makes a very fine valve section, right here in the US. They are arguably one of the best valve sections available. The Getzen valves were chosen for use on the Teatro trumpet, which Leigh McKinney and I have put together. I can't say that I'll mind having to get used to a more traditional feel for my fingers, as we've put together a very fine instrument! Cheers, Bruce __________________ brucelee@northernbrass.com ECLIPSE TRUMPETS - AUTHORIZED DEALER The "TEATRO", by Lee/McKinney GR Technologies/Northern Brass Mpc's - Dealer http://www.northernbrass.com (281) 485-1919

05-26-2006, 07:13 AM	#3
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	thanx. that was interesting. i thought schilke & calicchio made their own valves. manny: was your stuck schilke valve german-made or american made? dj

05-26-2006, 10:39 AM	#6
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	I think that Schilke DO make their own valves. The link to Naumann is a bad one, which means that it is no longer active. It also references Destino which, as we know now, is made by Kanstul. The link to Caliccio only references the flugelhorns.

05-26-2006, 01:06 PM	#8
gus Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 71	I ave a German Trumpet that has the stainless valves from Bauerfeind 8 the best valves I ever had) , but I didn't figured out until recently that Bauerfeind makes also monel valves Besides they also makes different weight and stroke pistons. Another surprising feature is that they make two part casings, like old Bachs. Quite a lot to choose¡¡¡.- A question to repairers, How do you think that stainless could be repaired.? Gus

05-26-2006, 01:28 PM	#9
frank Piano User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 437	__________________

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