Bf slides on a "C" trumpet?

gregc · 05-01-2006, 03:36 PM

I noted that Bach offers Bf slides for it's C trumpets. Is this really a way to make the horn play in Bf? Does it work? Work well? If not, what does it do? Improve the C intonation-playing-tuning?
I can't figure this one~

Schwab · 05-01-2006, 03:45 PM

For changing a C trumpet to Bb it will work, but from what I hear it won't work well.

If you are talking about a Bb main tuning slide cut to fit a C trumpet, lots of guys use them. I think Bb slides come standard with the H pipe.

cornetguy · 05-01-2006, 06:48 PM

i tried them in my horn once. intonation was a nightmare, and the sound wasn't very good. they make nice pencil holders, and paper weights

Bryan_sop_trumpet · 06-14-2006, 05:13 PM

I've got Bb Slides for my Courtois C Trumpet. I use both without any major problems.

KMT · 06-14-2006, 05:27 PM

I have used both Bb slides on my Bach C and C slides on my Bach D. Both were awful. The intonation and the overall feel of the horns were destroyed using the alternate slides.

Manny Laureano · 06-14-2006, 06:14 PM

I'm with Kevin... Vacchiano had us poorer kids do that with our D trumpets and all it did was make me work hard enough to be able to afford a real C!

ML

timothypierson · 06-14-2006, 07:59 PM

This year in orchestra I was using a "61 burbank Benge and the other player was using a Bach D trumpet with C slides he borrowed from the school. We were fighting pitch and blending issues all year long. Finally in time the last concert he got a Bach C trumpet with a 25A leadpipe. We were performing Dvorak's "New World Symphony" and most of the issues went away. He was playing 2nd for this concert and it was so easy to tune the octaves and the unisons were blended and so much easier to tune. Next year we'll have a new second player who will probably be using the D trumpet. I thought about buying another C, so we can blend better but I think my wife would kill me.

Dale Proctor · 07-20-2006, 12:12 PM

Had a set (4) of Bach Bb slides for my C. I bought them when I mainly played C and thought it would be a cheap bay to have a Bb Strad too. They don't work very well. You have the same C trumpet intonation issues, plus a few more, with a very bright sound. I sold them on eBay a month or two ago after letting them sit in the closet for 15 years. At least they appreciated in value!

If you're talking about the Bb-style tuning slide for the C, it's supposed to help intonation. Don't have any personal experience with it, though.

nieuwguyski · 07-21-2006, 02:48 AM

I have a 1921 Conn 10A Vocal cornet with Bb and C slides. It plays quite well in both keys. However, I would hasten to add, it doesn't play like a modern instrument in either key. I think Conn did an admirable job of splitting the difference and sacrificing the same amount of performance in both keys to make a cornet that plays well in either.

gregc · 07-21-2006, 09:07 AM

I bit the bullet and bought a "C".

05-01-2006, 03:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
gregc Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, U.S. of A. Brand: Lawler Bf & Flugel Bach C Posts: 548	Bf slides on a "C" trumpet? I noted that Bach offers Bf slides for it's C trumpets. Is this really a way to make the horn play in Bf? Does it work? Work well? If not, what does it do? Improve the C intonation-playing-tuning? I can't figure this one~
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05-01-2006, 03:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Schwab Moderator Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the road Posts: 930	For changing a C trumpet to Bb it will work, but from what I hear it won't work well. If you are talking about a Bb main tuning slide cut to fit a C trumpet, lots of guys use them. I think Bb slides come standard with the H pipe.
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05-01-2006, 06:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
cornetguy Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saint Paul, MN Brand: Yamaha, Bach, Getzen Posts: 730	i tried them in my horn once. intonation was a nightmare, and the sound wasn't very good. they make nice pencil holders, and paper weights
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06-14-2006, 05:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bryan_sop_trumpet New Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cambridge, UK Brand: Courtois Posts: 26	I've got Bb Slides for my Courtois C Trumpet. I use both without any major problems.
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06-14-2006, 07:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
timothypierson Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 55	This year in orchestra I was using a "61 burbank Benge and the other player was using a Bach D trumpet with C slides he borrowed from the school. We were fighting pitch and blending issues all year long. Finally in time the last concert he got a Bach C trumpet with a 25A leadpipe. We were performing Dvorak's "New World Symphony" and most of the issues went away. He was playing 2nd for this concert and it was so easy to tune the octaves and the unisons were blended and so much easier to tune. Next year we'll have a new second player who will probably be using the D trumpet. I thought about buying another C, so we can blend better but I think my wife would kill me.
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06-14-2006, 05:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
KMT Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 163	I have used both Bb slides on my Bach C and C slides on my Bach D. Both were awful. The intonation and the overall feel of the horns were destroyed using the alternate slides.

06-14-2006, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	I'm with Kevin... Vacchiano had us poorer kids do that with our D trumpets and all it did was make me work hard enough to be able to afford a real C! ML

07-20-2006, 12:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Had a set (4) of Bach Bb slides for my C. I bought them when I mainly played C and thought it would be a cheap bay to have a Bb Strad too. They don't work very well. You have the same C trumpet intonation issues, plus a few more, with a very bright sound. I sold them on eBay a month or two ago after letting them sit in the closet for 15 years. At least they appreciated in value! If you're talking about the Bb-style tuning slide for the C, it's supposed to help intonation. Don't have any personal experience with it, though.
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07-21-2006, 02:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
nieuwguyski Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 185	I have a 1921 Conn 10A Vocal cornet with Bb and C slides. It plays quite well in both keys. However, I would hasten to add, it doesn't play like a modern instrument in either key. I think Conn did an admirable job of splitting the difference and sacrificing the same amount of performance in both keys to make a cornet that plays well in either.
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07-21-2006, 09:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
gregc Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, U.S. of A. Brand: Lawler Bf & Flugel Bach C Posts: 548	I bit the bullet and bought a "C".
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