boosey and hawkes

bigfach · 03-29-2007, 02:32 PM

helo i'm new here and i'm from indonesia

anyone know boosey and hawkes 400?

great or not?

tx

trumpetmike · 03-29-2007, 05:00 PM

B&H 400 - the instrument they tried to ban

It was a student trumpet made by Amati. At one stage it was made by them for Boosey & Hawkes, then B&H became Besson and the instrument was dropped from the line. However, Amati continued to produce it, still using the B&H 400 model number. It took Besson a good few years to stop them doing this.
Not the greatest of student instruments.

Cornet1 · 03-30-2007, 03:04 AM

As Trumpetmike has mentioned, the B&H 400 was not actually made by B&H and had a chequered history. It was the cheapest brass instrument on the market in the UK for several years and was only ever intended to offer a start for beginners. The 400 trumpet was made by at least 3 separate factories around the world and while, as trumpet mike says, most were effectively rubbish, a few were actually very good for the price.

There was also a B&H 400 cornet also intended for schools and youth brass bands etc. This was made by at least 4 different factories in at least 3 distinct styles and models. There is one version with the same style and shape as the Getzen Eterna with the strange tuning slide at the bottom of the cornet. This type of 400 was made in Taiwan and is very good value for the money as it changes hands for between £50 and £100 and is an excellent instrument for that sort of money. It is well made and finished with nice sound and good intonation. All of the ones like this that I have seen are silver plated if that means anything.

bigfach · 04-01-2007, 07:14 AM

so what is the best stundent for you all..

tx

trumpetmike · 04-01-2007, 07:35 AM

Yamaha - either the 2335 or the 4335, depending on how far your budget can stretch.

_TrumpeT_ · 04-01-2007, 07:45 AM

Does this have anything to do with the music publisher?

Cornet1 · 04-01-2007, 07:54 AM

"........so what is the best stundent for you all.."

Well tell us why you are asking and maybe we can comment further.

Alternatively, just buy any Chinese instrument thay are ALL so beautifully made to such a high standard.......

trumpetmike · 04-01-2007, 07:54 AM

The publisher and the instrument maker used to be the same company, they split a few years ago (can't remember exactly when). The publishers took the name Boosey & Hawkes whilst the instrument makers went to their brand names (the brass were Besson).

It was at this point that they noticed just how little money the instruments were making and how much the sheet music had been subsidising them.

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trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Brand: Whatever works Posts: 1,202	Re: boosey and hawkes B&H 400 - the instrument they tried to ban It was a student trumpet made by Amati. At one stage it was made by them for Boosey & Hawkes, then B&H became Besson and the instrument was dropped from the line. However, Amati continued to produce it, still using the B&H 400 model number. It took Besson a good few years to stop them doing this. Not the greatest of student instruments.

03-30-2007, 03:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cornet1 Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex, England Posts: 131	Re: boosey and hawkes As Trumpetmike has mentioned, the B&H 400 was not actually made by B&H and had a chequered history. It was the cheapest brass instrument on the market in the UK for several years and was only ever intended to offer a start for beginners. The 400 trumpet was made by at least 3 separate factories around the world and while, as trumpet mike says, most were effectively rubbish, a few were actually very good for the price. There was also a B&H 400 cornet also intended for schools and youth brass bands etc. This was made by at least 4 different factories in at least 3 distinct styles and models. There is one version with the same style and shape as the Getzen Eterna with the strange tuning slide at the bottom of the cornet. This type of 400 was made in Taiwan and is very good value for the money as it changes hands for between £50 and £100 and is an excellent instrument for that sort of money. It is well made and finished with nice sound and good intonation. All of the ones like this that I have seen are silver plated if that means anything.

04-01-2007, 07:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigfach New Friend Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	Re: boosey and hawkes so what is the best stundent for you all.. tx
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04-01-2007, 07:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Brand: Whatever works Posts: 1,202	Re: boosey and hawkes Yamaha - either the 2335 or the 4335, depending on how far your budget can stretch.

04-01-2007, 07:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
_TrumpeT_ Piano User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 312	Re: boosey and hawkes Does this have anything to do with the music publisher?
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04-01-2007, 07:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cornet1 Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex, England Posts: 131	Re: boosey and hawkes "........so what is the best stundent for you all.." Well tell us why you are asking and maybe we can comment further. Alternatively, just buy any Chinese instrument thay are ALL so beautifully made to such a high standard.......

04-01-2007, 07:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Brand: Whatever works Posts: 1,202	Re: boosey and hawkes The publisher and the instrument maker used to be the same company, they split a few years ago (can't remember exactly when). The publishers took the name Boosey & Hawkes whilst the instrument makers went to their brand names (the brass were Besson). It was at this point that they noticed just how little money the instruments were making and how much the sheet music had been subsidising them.

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