C trumpet choices

wardsd · 02-02-2004, 04:23 PM

Hello.

I am looking for a reasonably priced C trumpet, and so far have a line on two choices. First is a 80's Bach lacquer with 239 bell and Blackburn 12-350 leadpipe. The second is a kanstul French Besson Silver. The French Besson is $200 cheaper. I have not played either one - they would both be internet purchases, but both would be returnable. Are there any opinions out there between these?

Steve

bigaggietrumpet · 02-02-2004, 05:05 PM

Understand that I have never played a C trumpet, nor a Kanstul. But, knowing the rep and quality of Kanstul, I really think you would be a lot happier with the Kanstul.

Jack, do you see what your advertising has done to me?

Nonsense Eliminator · 02-02-2004, 05:18 PM

I guess the first question would be, "What are your other options?"

I'm not a big fan of buying trumpets you haven't played. People sell horns for a reason, and it's impossible to be certain that the reason isn't "it sucks" without playing the horn. In particular, a 20-year-old horn (Bach or not) is a bit of a crapshoot as far as the condition of the valves and leadpipe. If you're near a major city, and not on an impossibly tight budget, chances are good that you can find a store that has some decent used horns that you can try for yourself.

Failing that, get the Bach! ;)

lonelyangel · 02-02-2004, 05:41 PM

You could always wait for 20 years and hope to pick up a second hand Eclipse C trumpet! :)

Seriously though, if they are both returnable why not get both of them - make a comparison between them and keep hold of the one you like best!

Just a thought. Noel.

wardsd · 02-02-2004, 10:21 PM

The seller of the Bach is Robb Stewart, so I trust his description at least enough to try it out. He said the valves are in good shape. I expect it to play decent with the Blackburn leadpipe. I will probably get that one and see how it plays.

Steve

dcstep · 02-02-2004, 10:32 PM

I'd go for the Bach if I had to make a choice without trying.

Dave

trptbenge · 02-02-2004, 11:32 PM

It's too bad you can't play both horns before buying. One of the best C's I ever played was a .462 French besson. However, sight unseen or without some return policy I'd go with a Bach if they are comparable in price.

Mike

Reverend · 02-03-2004, 01:04 AM

Wardsd,

Though not on your list of C trumpets, the ZeuS C has been getting rave reviews!

If you live anywhere near the Houston, TX area, you are more than welcome to come to my studio and try one out!

Blessings,

davidjohnson · 02-03-2004, 05:40 AM

robb stewart will not sell something unsatisfactory. i had a 239 for many years. they're good, in fact i prefer them.

dj

gzent · 02-03-2004, 10:43 AM

What prices are we talking here?

Last year I bought an older Kanstul made F. Besson Meha C that plays very nice, but I only paid like $550 for it. Suits my needs just fine and I knew I couldn't get a nice Bach, Yamaha, or whatever for anywhere close to that price.

Greg

02-02-2004, 04:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
wardsd New Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15	C trumpet choices Hello. I am looking for a reasonably priced C trumpet, and so far have a line on two choices. First is a 80's Bach lacquer with 239 bell and Blackburn 12-350 leadpipe. The second is a kanstul French Besson Silver. The French Besson is $200 cheaper. I have not played either one - they would both be internet purchases, but both would be returnable. Are there any opinions out there between these? Steve

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bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Understand that I have never played a C trumpet, nor a Kanstul. But, knowing the rep and quality of Kanstul, I really think you would be a lot happier with the Kanstul. Jack, do you see what your advertising has done to me? __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

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lonelyangel Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London Posts: 196	You could always wait for 20 years and hope to pick up a second hand Eclipse C trumpet! :) Seriously though, if they are both returnable why not get both of them - make a comparison between them and keep hold of the one you like best! Just a thought. Noel. __________________ Noel Langley - Eclipse Artist noel@eclipsetrumpets.com Eclipse Medium Yellow, scratch gold Eclipse Medium Heavy Red, custom 'Diamond Back' in 24ct gold Eclipse Red Brass Flugel Custom Scherzer piccolo with copper Wedgewood bell, finished in scratch gold Giardinelli 6S, 6M, 6FL Bach 3CW

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dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 679	I'd go for the Bach if I had to make a choice without trying. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

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trptbenge Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 105	It's too bad you can't play both horns before buying. One of the best C's I ever played was a .462 French besson. However, sight unseen or without some return policy I'd go with a Bach if they are comparable in price. Mike __________________ It's the sound that makes the difference!

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Nonsense Eliminator New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 48	I guess the first question would be, "What are your other options?" I'm not a big fan of buying trumpets you haven't played. People sell horns for a reason, and it's impossible to be certain that the reason isn't "it sucks" without playing the horn. In particular, a 20-year-old horn (Bach or not) is a bit of a crapshoot as far as the condition of the valves and leadpipe. If you're near a major city, and not on an impossibly tight budget, chances are good that you can find a store that has some decent used horns that you can try for yourself. Failing that, get the Bach! ;)

02-02-2004, 10:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
wardsd New Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15	The seller of the Bach is Robb Stewart, so I trust his description at least enough to try it out. He said the valves are in good shape. I expect it to play decent with the Blackburn leadpipe. I will probably get that one and see how it plays. Steve

02-03-2004, 01:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Reverend Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Greater Houston area Posts: 158	Wardsd, Though not on your list of C trumpets, the ZeuS C has been getting rave reviews! If you live anywhere near the Houston, TX area, you are more than welcome to come to my studio and try one out! Blessings, __________________ Michael Guevara, DMM Cinco Ranch Conservatory of Music www.cincoranchmusic.com Golden Trumpet Ministries Authorized Stage 1 and Fides Dealer, Texas and Southern US

02-03-2004, 05:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
davidjohnson Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: arkansas Posts: 377	robb stewart will not sell something unsatisfactory. i had a 239 for many years. they're good, in fact i prefer them. dj

02-03-2004, 10:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
gzent Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 1,515	What prices are we talking here? Last year I bought an older Kanstul made F. Besson Meha C that plays very nice, but I only paid like $550 for it. Suits my needs just fine and I knew I couldn't get a nice Bach, Yamaha, or whatever for anywhere close to that price. Greg __________________ Harmony and understanding Sympathy and trust abounding No more falsehoods or derisions Golden living dreams of visions Mystic crystal revalation And the mind's true liberation

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