Cut a C Trpt?

Bear · 11-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Ok,
So, is it possible (advisable) to cut a C trpt tuning slide?

Problem, no matter what mpc or person plays my C, it is constantly flat at least 20 cents. I can lip it but then that messes with COP, resonance, etc.

I've tried multiple mpcs and even other people. It's not me, it actually is the horn. Buying a new one or even used is out of the question. I barely afford gas to get to school.

Any suggestions?

Tim

Vulgano Brother · 11-26-2007, 02:12 PM

Whenever Dave Monette had complaints from a player that his horn was too flat, he would shorten them at the bell--only one cut to make and less critical for the playability.

Schwab · 11-26-2007, 04:09 PM

You sure it isn't a B trumpet? I'm just kidding.

Dr. Zink · 11-26-2007, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwab

You sure it isn't a B trumpet? I'm just kidding.

Ghitalla used to play the Hummel in E on a B trumpet (tuning bell C trpt with an insert on the bell tail).

There you have it. Your career is set!

DrZ

btw - what make of horn is it?

rowuk · 11-26-2007, 04:41 PM

Vulgano hit it right on the mark. The only other option is to shorten the shank on the mouthpiece, but I don't think that you can get 20 cents out of it. I would not mess with the tuning slide!

Is it a vintage horn? That would be strange for a modern instrument!

Bear · 11-26-2007, 08:04 PM

HAHA, Funny Schwab, that made my day. No sirs, I know it's definitely a C trpt, lol.

I play the Zeus stuff. It was all I could afford at the time of purchase and some of them were gifts. Eh, it works for me. But I'm always willing to switch to Monette if ayone wants to throw one my way (preferreably the XLT or LT)! lol.

Shorten at the bell huh? Anyone have any price quotes for this. I don't think you understand when I say I'm poor... I really mean it. I've tried shorter mpcs and even a Monette C specific mpc. It helped, but not enough.

Thanks for your help. Please don't bash my horn. She's all I have! lol.

A.N.A. Mendez · 11-26-2007, 08:43 PM

I have a very nice strad C I'll sell.....

rowuk · 11-27-2007, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear

....
Shorten at the bell huh? Anyone have any price quotes for this. I don't think you understand when I say I'm poor...

Bear,
I do not think that there is a free fix for your problem except "lipping up".

If the horn is pitched so low it is a manufacturing defect, maybe Zeus would fix it for free - ask them.

Shortening the bell means unsoldering it from the horn, cutting off a bit from the part that is attached to the valves, and resoldering it in place. This will move the front of the bell a bit further forward, so make sure that you measure the case so that the horn fits afterwards. This mod is the only one that is "risk free".
There is always the possibility of shortening the tuning slide, but there is a great risk that the playing characteristics will significantly change (for the worse).

DQsCustomShop · 11-27-2007, 08:19 AM

I would be happy to give you a price quote on shortening the bell of your trumpet. The price would highly depend on the finish of the instrument.

Bear · 11-27-2007, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DQsCustomShop

I would be happy to give you a price quote on shortening the bell of your trumpet. The price would highly depend on the finish of the instrument.

It's a brushed gold finish. Looks don't really matter to me as long as it's playable. If it'll say some bucks to leave the torch marks, I'm fine with that.

ANA Mendez, whatcha got?! Lol.

Rowuk, I've contacted the Zues folks before... Not too helpful.

11-26-2007, 02:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bear Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CO Posts: 784	Cut a C Trpt? Ok, So, is it possible (advisable) to cut a C trpt tuning slide? Problem, no matter what mpc or person plays my C, it is constantly flat at least 20 cents. I can lip it but then that messes with COP, resonance, etc. I've tried multiple mpcs and even other people. It's not me, it actually is the horn. Buying a new one or even used is out of the question. I barely afford gas to get to school. Any suggestions? Tim
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Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,969	Re: Cut a C Trpt? Whenever Dave Monette had complaints from a player that his horn was too flat, he would shorten them at the bell--only one cut to make and less critical for the playability.
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11-26-2007, 04:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: Cut a C Trpt? Vulgano hit it right on the mark. The only other option is to shorten the shank on the mouthpiece, but I don't think that you can get 20 cents out of it. I would not mess with the tuning slide! Is it a vintage horn? That would be strange for a modern instrument!
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11-26-2007, 08:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bear Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CO Posts: 784	Re: Cut a C Trpt? HAHA, Funny Schwab, that made my day. No sirs, I know it's definitely a C trpt, lol. I play the Zeus stuff. It was all I could afford at the time of purchase and some of them were gifts. Eh, it works for me. But I'm always willing to switch to Monette if ayone wants to throw one my way (preferreably the XLT or LT)! lol. Shorten at the bell huh? Anyone have any price quotes for this. I don't think you understand when I say I'm poor... I really mean it. I've tried shorter mpcs and even a Monette C specific mpc. It helped, but not enough. Thanks for your help. Please don't bash my horn. She's all I have! lol.
	__________________ Of what value would it be to make a prosperous living unless you know how to live?! - anon.

11-26-2007, 08:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
A.N.A. Mendez Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 567	Re: Cut a C Trpt? I have a very nice strad C I'll sell.....
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11-27-2007, 08:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
DQsCustomShop New Friend Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 10	Re: Cut a C Trpt? I would be happy to give you a price quote on shortening the bell of your trumpet. The price would highly depend on the finish of the instrument.

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