does Calicchio make a Martin?

jamesfrmphilly · 01-13-2004, 02:58 PM

just curious

dcstep · 01-13-2004, 03:56 PM

Of course, you know that Lawler and Marcinkiewicz do?!

Dave

jamesfrmphilly · 01-13-2004, 10:19 PM

yes, i was wondering if calicchio did also.
there can never be too many martins.

MPM · 01-14-2004, 01:27 PM

I though "Martin" was now made by the LeBlanc company, or are you guys refering to these other companies making Martin copies, oe Martin inspired designs? :?

jamesfrmphilly · 01-14-2004, 05:35 PM

i was referring to martin clones or martin based designs.
i don't consider the Leblanc version as a "real" martin.

FlugelFlyer · 01-14-2004, 06:03 PM

Calicchio makes the R37 all-copper trumpet. That should get you pretty close to 'dem old Comittees.

dcstep · 01-14-2004, 10:02 PM

Were the Committees copper? I never heard that, but I've never really been into Martins.

Dave

Larry Gianni · 01-15-2004, 03:01 AM

Hi everyone,

The original Martin Committee’s been a poly-bore or stepped -bore design.”Step bore" designs is when the bore of the horn expands through the leadpipe, tuning slide and tuning slide bow, and valve slide bows, to the straight tubing and actual bore size opening up the horn and making it freer blowing

Example of modern day poly-bore / step-bore design’s are the Reeves V- Raptor , The Callet Jazz ( .470 bore ) , the Schilke B1,B2, B4, , B6 , B7 , The Lawler Martin and the Marcienk. “ Coppola Model ( .468 ) and I believe the Yamaha 6310 Z “ Bobby Shew “ model based on the Schilke B6 and B7 models.

None of Calicchio’s are a poly-bore design so the closest model, I my opinion, that would sound and play like a Martin would be a 3/9 large bore with a reversed leadpipe design ( .468 ) for the #3 LB Martin and a 1s/9 med. bore( .453 ) reversed leadpipe for the Standard Martin.

The poly-bore designs give the slots a very distant and slippery feeling that lent itself to the 50’s jazz players that wanted to “ bend “ and “ express “ the feeling and mood of the piece they played. A very long leadpipe (which is what a Martin Committee has as it expends thru the tuning slide) will let you play very fluidly and silky, plus have all the notes speak very distinctly when playing very fast lines.

It takes a very special and complicated (mathematical) die to bend a flaring tube 180 degree’s and keep the actual measurements needed as if it was still straight. (a die is two pieces of metal that when put together, like a sandwich, would have the O.D. of the tubing measurements required so a straight tube can be bent and forced hydraulically (or with lead, pitch or resin) to those measurements hoping the consistency of the thickness of the metal stays constant so the ID of the pipe is consistent to the increasing diameter required)

Larry

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dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Of course, you know that Lawler and Marcinkiewicz do?! Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

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jamesfrmphilly Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: the north philly ghetto Posts: 366	yes, i was wondering if calicchio did also. there can never be too many martins. __________________ 1946 Martin Committee, Bach 5V

01-14-2004, 01:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
MPM Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 231	???? I though "Martin" was now made by the LeBlanc company, or are you guys refering to these other companies making Martin copies, oe Martin inspired designs? :? __________________ "~iii<O" Michael Manthey Scodwell USA Trumpets Bob Reeves Mpc's www.ultrapureoils.com Maynard Ferguson BBN Band

01-14-2004, 05:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
jamesfrmphilly Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: the north philly ghetto Posts: 366	i was referring to martin clones or martin based designs. i don't consider the Leblanc version as a "real" martin. __________________ 1946 Martin Committee, Bach 5V

01-14-2004, 06:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
FlugelFlyer Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Palos Park, IL Posts: 320	Calicchio makes the R37 all-copper trumpet. That should get you pretty close to 'dem old Comittees. __________________ Bach 180LR, 72 bell Bach 1-1/2C Bach 3D

01-14-2004, 10:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Were the Committees copper? I never heard that, but I've never really been into Martins. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-15-2004, 03:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Larry Gianni Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 266	Hi everyone, The original Martin Committee’s been a poly-bore or stepped -bore design.”Step bore" designs is when the bore of the horn expands through the leadpipe, tuning slide and tuning slide bow, and valve slide bows, to the straight tubing and actual bore size opening up the horn and making it freer blowing Example of modern day poly-bore / step-bore design’s are the Reeves V- Raptor , The Callet Jazz ( .470 bore ) , the Schilke B1,B2, B4, , B6 , B7 , The Lawler Martin and the Marcienk. “ Coppola Model ( .468 ) and I believe the Yamaha 6310 Z “ Bobby Shew “ model based on the Schilke B6 and B7 models. None of Calicchio’s are a poly-bore design so the closest model, I my opinion, that would sound and play like a Martin would be a 3/9 large bore with a reversed leadpipe design ( .468 ) for the #3 LB Martin and a 1s/9 med. bore( .453 ) reversed leadpipe for the Standard Martin. The poly-bore designs give the slots a very distant and slippery feeling that lent itself to the 50’s jazz players that wanted to “ bend “ and “ express “ the feeling and mood of the piece they played. A very long leadpipe (which is what a Martin Committee has as it expends thru the tuning slide) will let you play very fluidly and silky, plus have all the notes speak very distinctly when playing very fast lines. It takes a very special and complicated (mathematical) die to bend a flaring tube 180 degree’s and keep the actual measurements needed as if it was still straight. (a die is two pieces of metal that when put together, like a sandwich, would have the O.D. of the tubing measurements required so a straight tube can be bent and forced hydraulically (or with lead, pitch or resin) to those measurements hoping the consistency of the thickness of the metal stays constant so the ID of the pipe is consistent to the increasing diameter required) Larry

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