Charlesl20

OK, let's test the forum's vast wealth of trumpet knowledge and lore. I have an Evette and Schaeffer American. These were also sold with the Buffet-Crampon stencil (As a matter of fact, my horn came in a Buffet stenciled case). Lovely playing horn in my opinion, and made with wonderful attention to detail......MOP inlays on the slide buttons, two piece 3rd valve slide, silky valves..... But, who was the maker that put that wonderful attention into this horn? To my knowledge, Evette and Schaeffer/Buffet-Crampon never made brass themselves. Some of these horns are marked "Made in Germany", on the reciever, however mine is not. The only markings on the reciever is a very small "F".

I know that someone out there in the world must know who it was that actually built these horns. Finding out has become my mission in life of late, and maybe that someone will stop by this forum, read this post, and allow me to succeed........or I'll just keep on wondering.

Charles

trobinson66

I'd like more info, too. I just bought a E&S American and Paris on eBay. They are BOTH very nice horns! I was surprised at the real quality. The American has a huge bore that sounds great and is easy to control. Would like to know the original maker, since it seems that E&S didn't make their own brass. Read elsewhere that it could be Buffet or Courtois??? Any info. appreciated.

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Toobz

My guess is it's a Conn. If I remember correctly, Conn and Buffet
at one time, relabled each others horns to get around import duties.
I'd go to the Conn loyalist website and try to find a Conn that matches your horn.
It sounds like an older horn since it's still labled Evette-Schaeffer and not just simply Evette.

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confuoco

Did you google the name? it comes up with alot of sax links including Buffet-Crampon

Charlesl20

Since this thread started a ways back, I will share what I have learned since the original post.

1. The design looks very similar to the later Rudy Mucks that were
made in Europe. Possibly by Wilhelm Monke (Josef's brother)

2. Courtois is a highly unlikely candidate to have made these.

3. A retired brass tech from this era, and third hand information
passed on from Zig Kanstul insists that Buffet/Evette and
Schaffer made these horns themselves in their factories. Evette
and Schaeffer owned Buffet. They had factories in both
Germany (where some of these horns were made) and France
(where I believe some of them were made). The design and
many of the parts very closely resemble other French made horns
from this era.

4. Buffet will not comment at all about these horns.

In response to Conn as a maker, the design (internally threaded valve caps, Selmer style water keys, etc.) looks French, and doesn't resemble any of the Conns I've played or seen. You can look and judge for yourself.

Charles

trobinson66

I've Googled and Googled with little success. The two horn look quite different. I did find a little info on Horn-u-copia, but not as to the maker. I'll keep looking.

trobinson66

Charles--yours looks very much like the American I have, but it is quite different from the "Paris" one. The Paris horn looks and acts like a French made horn, but who knows?

The American has a huge bore and sounds big and bold. It blows easily, though, even for my 11 year old. The Paris horn is more a M or ML bore with a Selmer-like pinky hook. It is a heavy, very well-made, lovely horn as well and sounds great. Easier to slot than the American.

Charlesl20

The American is definetly a large bore, and it can get loud and proud. But, I've got my trusty ST302 Holton for loud and proud (it's louder and prouder). It's been a fun horn to play around with the American, but when the next thinning of the herd comes up (which according to the wife will be reeeeaaalllll soon!), I'll be sending it along for someone else to enjoy. I've got to admit that the search for the elusive maker of this horn has been interesting. Met new people, found interesting bits of history, and discovered new resourses for research. I may never know who made the American, but it has been far from a waste of time........unless of course you ask my wife!

Charles

Toobz

You've got yourself one nice horn ! Your right, thats no Conn.
Very interesting info regarding BC's factorys in Germany. I always
assumed that most of the German made stencils were Keilwerth's.
Thanks for the info !

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