note360

Lol, my county has a day of (french) horn. Solo they are ok, but en mass (250) it is a horribely odd sound that hurts.

THen again imagine a day of trumpet. 250 people on first, 20 on second, 2 on third. All competing for the spotlight. It would be the loudest most dangerous thing your eyes and ears could behold.

Oh, also luckily I leave close to NYC though I dont go their frequently. SInce I have this thread going. Are their any Trumpet trade shows in the Long Island NYC area and is CUrry their (I want a Curry MPC to replace my 3c)

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Trumpets:
TR300 Bach [marching horn]
Big Apple Bach Strad (ML)

Cornets:
1952 Olds Ambassador L.A

Mouthpiece: Curry 5c, Olds 3 (for the cornet atm)

Brett Getzen

I have a real issue with labeling a horn as student, intermediate, professional, etc... This is exactly why. Thirty years ago, the Eterna was hands down a pro trumpet. Since then, the bar has been raised. While the quality of build and design on the Eterna is just as good, if not better, now as it was then we really can't call it a pro horn compared to the Custom Series. So what are we to do? We can call the Custom Series a super pro and the Eterna a pro, but that seems silly. Instead, we bumped the Eterna down to semi-pro/intermediate.

I'm under the opinion that most people don't pay attention to the labels anyway. At least they shouldn't. After all, there are some budget makers out there that build nothing more than a student horn by our standards and market it as a pro horn. It's not like there are any guidelines industry wide that tell us which designs get each classification.

My advice to you and everyone else out there is to forget the label and just play the horn. You can take the most expensive pro trumpet there is and be stuck with something that doesn't work for you. Meanwhile, there are some pros out there playing Getzen Capris and 700 trumpets with great success. Neither of those are pro horns and yet they work. On the trombone side, Joe Alessi (principal trombone with the New York Phil and an Edwards artist) once told us that the 351 student trombone was one of the best jazz tenors he had played. Go figure.

OK, mini rant over.

Brett Getzen

note360

Thanks, didn't expect a reply from Brett Getzen (that was cool). So I get it now I suppose. All I wanted to know was the quality. I was under the impression (from many sources) that a intermediate horn meant that the manufacturer was "cheating" you out of money. Thanks for the explanation Brett. Though I may or may not get a Getzen horn, they seem to be the best horn in my price range.

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"I'll play it and tell you what it is later." - Miles Davis
"Do not fear mistakes. There are none." - Miles Davis

Trumpets:
TR300 Bach [marching horn]
Big Apple Bach Strad (ML)

Cornets:
1952 Olds Ambassador L.A

Mouthpiece: Curry 5c, Olds 3 (for the cornet atm)

rjzeller

Like Brett said -- these WERE the pro horns of years past. They're still oustanding horns today.

I WOULD say I like the Xeno better, but it's a lot more $$$, too. And quite frankly, if I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd get a Getzen custom which to me is considerably better than the Xeno.

You can see this gets circular real fast.

Try them all out regardless of make or model or rating, and get the one that you like the best. That's what I did, and that's why I am no longer a Bach fanatic. The Renaissance (sadly, no longer being made) simply blew me away. I'm a Getzen guy for life now...

at least until I win the next Eclipse contest or hit the jackpot and pickup a Monette....

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Dave Mickley

the lead player in a big band that I used to play in had an early Getzen Sev. trumpet and got talked into buying a "pro" horn. He has told me many times he wished that he had that old Getzen back, it just played so much better than the expensive "pro" horn he has now. Dave

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Brett Getzen

Don't get me wrong, in some cases you are being cheated by an intermediate horn. There are some manufacturers out there that simply throw a first slide saddle and some silver plate on their student horns and call it intermediate. That would not warrant the extra money.

On the other hand, do a search here or on Trumpet Herald for Getzen 700 trumpets. That is a perfect case where you find many people very satisfied with an intermediate priced horn.

As an aside, several of our international dealers carry our student trumpets. However, they don't market them as such. Many of them sell 390 and 490 trumpets as step-up horns because of their quality.

And, just because I can, I'll give you a little insider information. We are just about to introduce another model in the Eterna line. Of course everyone knows about the 900 Eterna Classic (formerly the Eterna Severinsen) and we have the 900SB Eterna Sterling with the sheet sterling silver bell. We are in the final stages of developing the 907S Eterna Proteus trumpet. I won't get into specifics, but it is intended to be a more versatile and flexible Eterna trumpet. Where some find the Eterna Classic to be too much of a lead or jazz horn, the Eterna Proteus will satisfy the need for a slightly more mellow tone better suited for orchestral and ensemble work. Keep your ears open for more on that. And let's just keep this between us. :-D

Brett Getzen

Martin Williams

That is right on with my expirience too. In my area Getzen hornsare common because they are just that good, all but one of my trumpet students has started on a getzen, either a Capri or a 700 series, and they couldnt fault the horn for anything, they just had to go and practice, the horns are great.

We at the music store I work in have a bunch of older 390/490 cornets, just old stock that dont sell since many students dont seem to like the cornet as much, but they all play great as well

I personally have played a capri Bb trumpet extensively and found it to be a great horn. I had to return it though, as it was an Ohio State marching band horn.

Ive got an Eterna Eb Soprano Cornet(see my sig) that Im playing quite a bit now, and I couldnt ask for more horn, definitely a pro level horn all the way!

crash

I really think you're exaggerating here! Do you really believe you could get that many to volunteer for third???
The only way to do it is to get two crossover French Horn players. 3rd trumpet is usually the 1st F-Horn part anyway!

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Bach Strad 180S ML37
Barrington Flugel AFL172RM (I spent all my money on the Strad)

note360

Lol, the 2 are teachers who normally play other instruments.

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"I'll play it and tell you what it is later." - Miles Davis
"Do not fear mistakes. There are none." - Miles Davis

Trumpets:
TR300 Bach [marching horn]
Big Apple Bach Strad (ML)

Cornets:
1952 Olds Ambassador L.A

Mouthpiece: Curry 5c, Olds 3 (for the cornet atm)

BryanH

I have been playing my Eterna for over 25 years!!! I bought it new and love it. I played it side by side with top Bach and Yamaha of the day and it was clearly the better horn and at a better price too! I also have a Getzen in C, a Getzen Flugal and Cornet. The only thing that could get me off my Eterna is another Getzen. I am looking for the Genesis. None of the dealers in town have one and they are on back order. A powerful statement about the horn. I am in hopes that it will carry me the next 25 years. A label of Pro or Intermediate should apply to the player not the horn. Play a Getzen, any Getzen, and let the sound speak for it's self. I love all of mine.