How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^

oldsben · 12-03-2008, 06:53 PM

My Besson 609 always build up water fast. Every 3 or 5 minutes, I can drain several drops of water from the water key. I compared it with Getzen Eterna and the Eterna seems to produce less water. Is this normal?

Just curious,

Oldsben

rowuk · 12-03-2008, 07:02 PM

There are several things that can increase water buildup. A cold horn will aid condensation and being overly hydrated makes me spit more.

I empty regularly when I have some rests. It is better not to wait until the horn starts gurgling.

Some horns seem to gurgle sooner. This is probably due to a pressure node being in an area where water can collect. My flugelhorn is like that.

Don't worry, just empty.

Wlfgng · 12-03-2008, 07:19 PM

I give the key a squeeze when ever I can, the gurgling sound is annoying.

Miyot · 12-03-2008, 08:32 PM

I play a Schilke B1 and it has just 1 spit valve. I empty the third valve slide when it needs it by removing it. However, I still have some spit hiding somewhere. I turn the horn (valves to the left and horizontal) and hold the third valve down and blow forcefully, then valves 2 and 3, blow and then hold all valves down, blow, point bell in the air, continue to hold all valves down and blow once more. Then slowly turn horn so spit will flow out the Bell. Ah, now thats better. I always like to see a little stream flow out even after I empty the spit the conventional way.

A dirty horn will also hold more spit or at least keep it from flowing as freely and make it more difficult to empty it. I suspect some of this spit is laying in the valve tubing when the valves don't quite line up right with the tubing. I also like to remove the bottom valve covers and empty them as well (I don't do this during a gig, but I do do it about 20 min into a practice session) this gives me a little break. I also wipe these out once in a while.

bagmangood · 12-03-2008, 10:50 PM

Some horns just love their spit
some don't
That horn probably just builds it up more.

edcon1981 · 12-03-2008, 10:51 PM

anytime i have a rest long enough i drain my water keys, it's just a force of habit. i will say though that my olds seems to collect more water than my other horns.

Chrishawk4 · 12-03-2008, 11:46 PM

I drain it everytime that I have a rest out of force of habit.

Chris

oldsben · 12-04-2008, 12:17 PM

Thanks for the comments! My horn seems normal then. It may need a more throughly cleaning.

Oldsben

12-03-2008, 06:53 PM	#1
oldsben Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: California Posts: 67	How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ My Besson 609 always build up water fast. Every 3 or 5 minutes, I can drain several drops of water from the water key. I compared it with Getzen Eterna and the Eterna seems to produce less water. Is this normal? Just curious, Oldsben

12-03-2008, 07:02 PM	#2
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,205	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ There are several things that can increase water buildup. A cold horn will aid condensation and being overly hydrated makes me spit more. I empty regularly when I have some rests. It is better not to wait until the horn starts gurgling. Some horns seem to gurgle sooner. This is probably due to a pressure node being in an area where water can collect. My flugelhorn is like that. Don't worry, just empty. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

12-03-2008, 07:19 PM	#3
Wlfgng Piano User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 323	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ I give the key a squeeze when ever I can, the gurgling sound is annoying. __________________ Olds Ambassador(only one left, need more) King Silver Flair - main horn Selmer Cornet Amatuers practice till they get it right, Professionals practice till they can't get it wrong.

12-03-2008, 08:32 PM	#4
Miyot Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 170	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ I play a Schilke B1 and it has just 1 spit valve. I empty the third valve slide when it needs it by removing it. However, I still have some spit hiding somewhere. I turn the horn (valves to the left and horizontal) and hold the third valve down and blow forcefully, then valves 2 and 3, blow and then hold all valves down, blow, point bell in the air, continue to hold all valves down and blow once more. Then slowly turn horn so spit will flow out the Bell. Ah, now thats better. I always like to see a little stream flow out even after I empty the spit the conventional way. A dirty horn will also hold more spit or at least keep it from flowing as freely and make it more difficult to empty it. I suspect some of this spit is laying in the valve tubing when the valves don't quite line up right with the tubing. I also like to remove the bottom valve covers and empty them as well (I don't do this during a gig, but I do do it about 20 min into a practice session) this gives me a little break. I also wipe these out once in a while.

12-03-2008, 10:50 PM	#5
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 940	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ Some horns just love their spit some don't That horn probably just builds it up more. __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Coming soon?

12-03-2008, 10:51 PM	#6
edcon1981 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Philly Posts: 789	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ anytime i have a rest long enough i drain my water keys, it's just a force of habit. i will say though that my olds seems to collect more water than my other horns. __________________ Ed Con... 1890's (est) LeFevre 691 Cornet 1890's (est) Harwood "Solo Model" Cornet 1954 Olds (LA) Ambassador Cornet 1956 Olds (EF) Ambassador Trumpet 1989 Selmer Bundy Trumpet 2007 Kanstul KSB100 3-Valve Bugle "An object at rest cannot be stopped!"

12-03-2008, 11:46 PM	#7
Chrishawk4 New Friend Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 26	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ I drain it everytime that I have a rest out of force of habit. Chris __________________ '98 Bach 1530 '05 Bach 180S37

12-04-2008, 12:17 PM	#8
oldsben Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: California Posts: 67	Re: How offen should I drain the water key? ^_^ Thanks for the comments! My horn seems normal then. It may need a more throughly cleaning. Oldsben

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