How Taylor Trumpets came to be…

Liad Bar-EL · 12-25-2006, 05:55 AM

http://www.taylortrumpets.com/aboutus.html

frank · 12-25-2006, 01:26 PM

so what?

he's not the only one...

trumpetmike · 12-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Frank - you nailed it - so what

The original post was one of oh so many that seem to have no point behind them apart from causing trouble.

Solar Bell · 12-25-2006, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpetmike

The original post was one of oh so many that seem to have no point behind them apart from causing trouble.

Mike,

You nailed it too!

-cw-

rowuk · 12-25-2006, 05:31 PM

SO let's cause some trouble!
A VW with a fibreglass Ferrari shell looks cool and may even have advantages over the original (uses less gas, repairs are cheaper) but does not help to sell one more VW. The Taylor will sell on it's own merit - never on the fact that some trumpet player would be fooled into thinking it is a Monette.
If Andy Taylor discovered that Dave was on to something and found a way to make it work on his own horn: cool - just bad taste if he couldn't come up with his own cosmetics. Apple computer also produces products that other manufacturers want to imitate. I read somewhere that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I think it is a way to save real R+D costs - probably important for a small operation like Taylor.

Liad - you can spare me with your wisdom of how good the Taylor is. I have played them and think Andy does a great job building trumpets. I probably should have just ignored this post though - I agree with trumpetmike! Like the fibreglass Ferrari shell the candy apple blue Zeus looks really cool. Couldn't imagine one single setting where I could use it though..........

Merry Christmas Andy and Liad!

Liad Bar-EL · 12-30-2006, 01:04 PM

Usually, the ones who are always looking for trouble will find it in almost everything they read including the link that I posted.

I found several interesting things which prompted me to post this link, however.

Andy is a family man. What other trumpet maker will post a picture of himself with his son?

Andy got his start in making horns at a young age. Andy received training from a reputable company (Paxmans) and he ENJOYED it. I might add that he still enjoys making horns which is saying a lot compared with those who are in the business just for the money.

He specialized in making bells and had an interest in the theoretical, acoustical and design aspects of the instruments. In short, he wanted to know more about how it worked, why it worked, and how to make it work. Andy learned a lot about the physics of brass instruments from the Paxmans' horn designer (Richard Merewether). Personally speaking, in the horns that I asked Andy to make for me, at every idea I had in what I wanted in the horn, Andy would tell me how it would sound; so, I then was informing him as to what sound I wanted and he would tell me what needed to be done in the horn. I might add that this goes for the mpcs that he makes as well.

Andy was involved in the prototyping of new models at Paxmans and one can see even now that Andy is very prolific in making new model trumpets, cornets, flugel horns, etc.

It was also interesting to note that Andy worked as a professional musician when the UK recession started. It was at this point that he got the idea of making his own horns...the trumpet. Andy said, "Lets face it, after 15 years of making French horns, the trumpet is a relatively simple brass instrument!"

Take note where/how Andy got his concept of sound for the trumpet: "It was apparent fairly early in their development, that they had a warmer sound than regular trumpets, the French horn input, maybe! The 'reference' sound in my head was that of Wynton."

Lastly, Andy stated: "A pick-up truck with a big engine might go like a rocket, but it doesn't make it a Ferrari, because it doesn't look like a Ferrari." So, if you want to liken his trumpets to a VW with a fibreglass Ferrari shell which is the complete opposite of what Andy stated, then for sure you are looking for trouble if not already creating it yourself.

Liad

trumpetmike · 12-30-2006, 02:41 PM

Liad - I ask again, why did you post it?

The chances are high that anyone interested in Taylor Trumpets has been to his site and read what is there.

Liad Bar-EL · 12-31-2006, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpetmike

Liad - I ask again, why did you post it?

The chances are high that anyone interested in Taylor Trumpets has been to his site and read what is there.

Mike, to tell you the truth, I was doing a Google search for the name of Andy's company that makes bells for I could not remember the name. I wanted to see for how long Andy has been in the business of working with brass instruments. The site that I posted popped up with the name of Bellman Brass.

I have known Andy for a long time and I have not read this site until I posted it; so, I don't know what you base your reasoning on that the "chances are high that anyone interested in Taylor Trumpets has been to his site and read it". I found it very interesting and wanted to share it with you all. For those who are not interested in Taylor Trumpets, however, can choose not to read it or they can expand their knowledge of what else is in this world of trumpets. If you did not enjoy that information, you could be kind enough and just keep your thoughts to yourself for that is what I did when I posted the link. I did not make one comment one way or the other. Now, that I did not make a comment on the link that I provided which evoked such a flurry of negative responses, just goes to show that you and the rest of the respondents are the trouble makers, not me. FYI, I felt that I did not need to make a comment on this link for Andy's posted information and his ability to make horns will stand on its own.

Now let me ask you a couple of questions. Why did you ask me ask me that question? Why are you making an issue out of it and why is it so important to you that you can not accept this information even on face value that you have to put forth an effort that looks like nothing short than a witch hunt….trying to justify your post claiming that mine is one to create trouble?

I'll let you in on a little secret. I am so grateful for what Andy has done for me, I admire his artistry in making horns that I have not seen in any other horn maker and I respect him so much for being an honest, kind and straightforward person, that I will support him in every trumpet forum and in every thread and post that is for him and will come to his defense in posts, like yours that are against him.

Enough said? Now you being from the UK and with your orange toupee on your head, you should hop on your broom and buzz over here to see that Harry Potter was killed and buried in Hebron, Israel. You will even find the grave of William Shakespeare out here. Now, if you would take that orange toupee off your head, I would be happy to take you around to meet the people at the School of Music that Herb Alpert set up in his parents name.

Liad Bar-EL

rowuk · 12-31-2006, 08:05 AM

Hi Liad,
there are a couple of TMers where we almost always ask questions. Your position on Taylor is well known here. Is it coincidence that when you take a hit for your not "positive opinion" about another brand, the next day a Taylor website post comes up? I also do not believe "I have known Andy for a long time and I have not read this site until I posted it". Just go to the TM Search page and type Liad El-Bar and Taylor - references galor to his website since 2004. As serious as you are about Taylor, I am sure that you have his site memorised!

We are back to the issue of the weight of words. Certain writing styles are perceived as more "aggressive" or appear "opinionated"(sometimes they are not perceived or appear but ARE outright blatant). If this is the feedback that you get (and it most certainly is IMHO), reflect on it and you will probably find the answers to generate less suspicion.

Don't get me wrong, we know that you dig the Taylor ax and have good reason to do so-it is a fine horn. I am sure that Andy appreciates the free advertising. We value your positive opinion about things that you have experienced. We all know however that a personal experience is not transferrable to someone else. Unfortunately, you do not have much Taylor company at TM. I would like to know where the other owners are? Why are they not here posting about their experiences? We have a similar situation with Flip Oakes and considering the amount of instruments sold, Schilke.

There are MANY excellent brands of handmade and maschine made trumpets out there. The true artistry is in the ears of our audiences and several brands of handmade trumpets are leading the way. This is NOT against Taylor but FOR all of the brilliant artists that supply us with a choice unknown to previous generations.

Why would Mike have to take the wig off to visit a music school? Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass were into bright colors!

Liad Bar-EL · 12-31-2006, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Hi Liad,
there are a couple of TMers where we almost always ask questions. Your position on Taylor is well known here. Is it coincidence that when you take a hit for your not "positive opinion" about another brand, the next day a Taylor website post comes up? I also do not believe "I have known Andy for a long time and I have not read this site until I posted it". Just go to the TM Search page and type Liad El-Bar and Taylor - references galor to his website since 2004. As serious as you are about Taylor, I am sure that you have his site memorised!

Why would Mike have to take the wig off to visit a music school? Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass were into bright colors!

The truth is that I have not read all of Taylor's site even today. Let it be know that every time that I visit his site which is rare, that it has been changed; so, not only am I faulty about reading his site but also can not keep up with his site changes, new information, etc.

Now concerning bright colors in Israel worn on the head like a wig.....Mike will get mobbed from beggars wanting money because he will look like a rich tourist and he might even get hit by a car who can not take his/her eyes off from him while driving. FYI, pedestrians (sp) do not have the right of way eventhough it is written in the books but not practiced on the roads. Lastly, Herb Alpert's music school is in the Arab sector and I think it would be wise to look as inconspicuous as possible. Bald heads are the in thing out here; so, he would fit perfectly without the wig.

Liad

12-25-2006, 05:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Liad Bar-EL Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 1,168	How Taylor Trumpets came to be… http://www.taylortrumpets.com/aboutus.html

12-25-2006, 01:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
frank Piano User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 413	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… so what? he's not the only one...
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12-25-2006, 01:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Brand: Whatever works Posts: 1,202	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… Frank - you nailed it - so what The original post was one of oh so many that seem to have no point behind them apart from causing trouble.

12-25-2006, 05:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… SO let's cause some trouble! A VW with a fibreglass Ferrari shell looks cool and may even have advantages over the original (uses less gas, repairs are cheaper) but does not help to sell one more VW. The Taylor will sell on it's own merit - never on the fact that some trumpet player would be fooled into thinking it is a Monette. If Andy Taylor discovered that Dave was on to something and found a way to make it work on his own horn: cool - just bad taste if he couldn't come up with his own cosmetics. Apple computer also produces products that other manufacturers want to imitate. I read somewhere that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I think it is a way to save real R+D costs - probably important for a small operation like Taylor. Liad - you can spare me with your wisdom of how good the Taylor is. I have played them and think Andy does a great job building trumpets. I probably should have just ignored this post though - I agree with trumpetmike! Like the fibreglass Ferrari shell the candy apple blue Zeus looks really cool. Couldn't imagine one single setting where I could use it though.......... Merry Christmas Andy and Liad!
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12-30-2006, 01:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Liad Bar-EL Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 1,168	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… Usually, the ones who are always looking for trouble will find it in almost everything they read including the link that I posted. I found several interesting things which prompted me to post this link, however. Andy is a family man. What other trumpet maker will post a picture of himself with his son? Andy got his start in making horns at a young age. Andy received training from a reputable company (Paxmans) and he ENJOYED it. I might add that he still enjoys making horns which is saying a lot compared with those who are in the business just for the money. He specialized in making bells and had an interest in the theoretical, acoustical and design aspects of the instruments. In short, he wanted to know more about how it worked, why it worked, and how to make it work. Andy learned a lot about the physics of brass instruments from the Paxmans' horn designer (Richard Merewether). Personally speaking, in the horns that I asked Andy to make for me, at every idea I had in what I wanted in the horn, Andy would tell me how it would sound; so, I then was informing him as to what sound I wanted and he would tell me what needed to be done in the horn. I might add that this goes for the mpcs that he makes as well. Andy was involved in the prototyping of new models at Paxmans and one can see even now that Andy is very prolific in making new model trumpets, cornets, flugel horns, etc. It was also interesting to note that Andy worked as a professional musician when the UK recession started. It was at this point that he got the idea of making his own horns...the trumpet. Andy said, "Lets face it, after 15 years of making French horns, the trumpet is a relatively simple brass instrument!" Take note where/how Andy got his concept of sound for the trumpet: "It was apparent fairly early in their development, that they had a warmer sound than regular trumpets, the French horn input, maybe! The 'reference' sound in my head was that of Wynton." Lastly, Andy stated: "A pick-up truck with a big engine might go like a rocket, but it doesn't make it a Ferrari, because it doesn't look like a Ferrari." So, if you want to liken his trumpets to a VW with a fibreglass Ferrari shell which is the complete opposite of what Andy stated, then for sure you are looking for trouble if not already creating it yourself. Liad

12-30-2006, 02:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
trumpetmike Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Farnham (a place too smal Brand: Whatever works Posts: 1,202	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… Liad - I ask again, why did you post it? The chances are high that anyone interested in Taylor Trumpets has been to his site and read what is there.

12-31-2006, 08:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: How Taylor Trumpets came to be… Hi Liad, there are a couple of TMers where we almost always ask questions. Your position on Taylor is well known here. Is it coincidence that when you take a hit for your not "positive opinion" about another brand, the next day a Taylor website post comes up? I also do not believe "I have known Andy for a long time and I have not read this site until I posted it". Just go to the TM Search page and type Liad El-Bar and Taylor - references galor to his website since 2004. As serious as you are about Taylor, I am sure that you have his site memorised! We are back to the issue of the weight of words. Certain writing styles are perceived as more "aggressive" or appear "opinionated"(sometimes they are not perceived or appear but ARE outright blatant). If this is the feedback that you get (and it most certainly is IMHO), reflect on it and you will probably find the answers to generate less suspicion. Don't get me wrong, we know that you dig the Taylor ax and have good reason to do so-it is a fine horn. I am sure that Andy appreciates the free advertising. We value your positive opinion about things that you have experienced. We all know however that a personal experience is not transferrable to someone else. Unfortunately, you do not have much Taylor company at TM. I would like to know where the other owners are? Why are they not here posting about their experiences? We have a similar situation with Flip Oakes and considering the amount of instruments sold, Schilke. There are MANY excellent brands of handmade and maschine made trumpets out there. The true artistry is in the ears of our audiences and several brands of handmade trumpets are leading the way. This is NOT against Taylor but FOR all of the brilliant artists that supply us with a choice unknown to previous generations. Why would Mike have to take the wig off to visit a music school? Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass were into bright colors! Last edited by rowuk : 01-02-2007 at 11:26 AM. Reason: better choice of words...........
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