Info on Olds P-12 Custom

NYTC · 07-06-2007, 10:06 AM

Hello gang.
I am looking for any info on the Olds P-12 Custom Bb.
I just got it from a friend of mine, and can't find any info.
What is it all about? Value? Any info would be appreciated.

Felix

Richard Oliver · 07-06-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NYTC

Any info would be appreciated.

Felix

One of the tuning bell jobs Felix?

We had one in the store back in the late '70's. No one bought it. They liked Bach and Benge better.

The one we had (now this is me trying to recollect 25 years ago) had valve buttons of metal (not pearl or fake pearl). Can't recollect the finish. Lacquer maybe.

The tuning bell screw was a little dinky and lightweight compared to Schilke's version. If I'm remembering that it was a tuning bell horn.

As to price back then, I think it was a little less than a Bach but can't swear to it. It must have been in the same ball park to not have sold.

Does it play a little "smaller?"

NYTC · 07-06-2007, 10:24 AM

Not a tuning bell,all standard.
Plays really good,a great lead horn,IMHO.

Richard Oliver · 07-06-2007, 10:33 AM

Just goes to show you, I cannot remember 25 years ago. :P

Here's a price list from '78. Has a P12.

1978 Olds Price List

Happy Canuck · 07-06-2007, 10:58 AM

Hi Felix,

The Custom was designed by Zig Kanstul and R Dale Olson in the mid 60's. The 'Custom' part of it was a kit that was sent to dealers with 3 bells and 5 leadpipes. You would try the various combinations until you found the one you wanted and it would be custom ordered for you. When you got the horn the combination as engraved on your bell, the one you see most often is 37117 not sure which is which. They were lightweight horns and played well.
1966 Olds Catalog This was the P-10 version.

What Olds found was that this process didn't create many orders for different combinations so they stopped the custom process and just produced the most frequent combination. It most likely also has the Ultra-sonic bell, even tho it is stated on the leadpipe!

The Ultra-Sonic Bell was a one-piece, seamless, bell, manufactured through an "explosion molding" process. In this, a tapered tube was inserted into a mold, with an explosive charge detonated within the tube. Upon explosion, the metal was forced to the approximate shape of the mold. A secondary process involved "spinning" the bell against a mandrel to achieve the final configuration.

This process was employed essentially because of economics. It was cheaper. Later, this process was replaced by "plasma welding", an even more economical process. Never were any musical characteristics, better or worse, associated with the different manufacturing processes.

Hope that helps you understand the horn!

Brian H. Smout · 07-06-2007, 03:27 PM

Salut Felix,

"Back in the day", Bobby Shew was an Olds endorser so if you have a good lead horn that might help explain it. If I rightly recall. the silver plating was very thin and peeled off fairly quickly.

A la prochaine,

Brian

Happy Canuck · 07-06-2007, 04:24 PM

Brian, totally correct about the silver plating, very poor. In fact when I sold my '75 Custom and bought a Schilke I was astounded how great the plating was!

I was also haunted by the Olds valve problems they had in their last number of years. Had to send the horn back to have the/one valve worked on. Mind you, the fellow I sold the horn to loves it and wouldn't sell it back to me!

NYTC · 07-06-2007, 05:19 PM

Thanks for all the info ,guys.
Does any one know the value right now?

max3k · 07-06-2007, 07:13 PM

I'd say somewhere around $5. I'll give ya $6 plus shipping if you want. That's above market value!

Happy Canuck · 07-06-2007, 07:39 PM

From what I've logged:
High $1200
Low: $300
Median: around $850

07-06-2007, 10:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,023	Info on Olds P-12 Custom Hello gang. I am looking for any info on the Olds P-12 Custom Bb. I just got it from a friend of mine, and can't find any info. What is it all about? Value? Any info would be appreciated. Felix __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

07-06-2007, 10:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,023	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Not a tuning bell,all standard. Plays really good,a great lead horn,IMHO. __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

07-06-2007, 10:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,206	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Just goes to show you, I cannot remember 25 years ago. :P Here's a price list from '78. Has a P12. 1978 Olds Price List Last edited by Richard Oliver; 07-06-2007 at 10:36 AM.

07-06-2007, 10:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Happy Canuck Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 173	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Hi Felix, The Custom was designed by Zig Kanstul and R Dale Olson in the mid 60's. The 'Custom' part of it was a kit that was sent to dealers with 3 bells and 5 leadpipes. You would try the various combinations until you found the one you wanted and it would be custom ordered for you. When you got the horn the combination as engraved on your bell, the one you see most often is 37117 not sure which is which. They were lightweight horns and played well. 1966 Olds Catalog This was the P-10 version. What Olds found was that this process didn't create many orders for different combinations so they stopped the custom process and just produced the most frequent combination. It most likely also has the Ultra-sonic bell, even tho it is stated on the leadpipe! The Ultra-Sonic Bell was a one-piece, seamless, bell, manufactured through an "explosion molding" process. In this, a tapered tube was inserted into a mold, with an explosive charge detonated within the tube. Upon explosion, the metal was forced to the approximate shape of the mold. A secondary process involved "spinning" the bell against a mandrel to achieve the final configuration. This process was employed essentially because of economics. It was cheaper. Later, this process was replaced by "plasma welding", an even more economical process. Never were any musical characteristics, better or worse, associated with the different manufacturing processes. Hope that helps you understand the horn! __________________ Bill Olds Ambassador, Special, Super, Recording, Mendez Bb trumpets, Custom C trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M Olds Opera & Ambassador A6 Shepherds Crook cornets/Sparx 4B Olds L-12 Flugelhorn/GR Butcher 65.6FL Schilke MII Trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M If you have an Olds, go to http://www.theoldsregister.com/ and add data Last edited by Happy Canuck; 07-06-2007 at 04:25 PM.

07-06-2007, 03:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Brian H. Smout Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Swift Current, Sask. Canada Posts: 116	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Salut Felix, "Back in the day", Bobby Shew was an Olds endorser so if you have a good lead horn that might help explain it. If I rightly recall. the silver plating was very thin and peeled off fairly quickly. A la prochaine, Brian __________________ "Swift Current - where we're neither swift nor current"

07-06-2007, 04:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Happy Canuck Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 173	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Brian, totally correct about the silver plating, very poor. In fact when I sold my '75 Custom and bought a Schilke I was astounded how great the plating was! I was also haunted by the Olds valve problems they had in their last number of years. Had to send the horn back to have the/one valve worked on. Mind you, the fellow I sold the horn to loves it and wouldn't sell it back to me! __________________ Bill Olds Ambassador, Special, Super, Recording, Mendez Bb trumpets, Custom C trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M Olds Opera & Ambassador A6 Shepherds Crook cornets/Sparx 4B Olds L-12 Flugelhorn/GR Butcher 65.6FL Schilke MII Trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M If you have an Olds, go to http://www.theoldsregister.com/ and add data

07-06-2007, 05:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
NYTC Forte User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 1,023	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom Thanks for all the info ,guys. Does any one know the value right now? __________________ www.NewYorkTrumpetCompany.com Stage 1 Trumpets

07-06-2007, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
max3k Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 512	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom I'd say somewhere around $5. I'll give ya $6 plus shipping if you want. That's above market value! __________________ Stage 1 California Custom - Now Here! Benge 90B Yamaha YTR-232S

07-06-2007, 07:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Happy Canuck Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 173	Re: Info on Olds P-12 Custom From what I've logged: High $1200 Low: $300 Median: around $850 __________________ Bill Olds Ambassador, Special, Super, Recording, Mendez Bb trumpets, Custom C trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M Olds Opera & Ambassador A6 Shepherds Crook cornets/Sparx 4B Olds L-12 Flugelhorn/GR Butcher 65.6FL Schilke MII Trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M If you have an Olds, go to http://www.theoldsregister.com/ and add data

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