King Librety Trumpet

stradguy · 08-24-2007, 03:50 PM

Does anyone know anthing about a king librety trumpet, from the thirtys

veery715 · 08-24-2007, 04:17 PM

Generally awesome horns if in good shape. Some had multicolored gold and silver layouts.

Lots of info at the site:
H N White Trumpets: Liberty, Master, 2-B, Super 20, Silver Flair.

I believe oldlou (forum member) is an expert.

veery715 · 08-28-2007, 04:31 PM

Try the "other forum" trumpetherald, for posts by oldlou on the King Libertys.

gglassmeyer · 08-30-2007, 05:18 PM

I have a LIberty that is one of the 1932 Models from just prior to the Liberty #2 in 1933. It's really fun to play and most of them have some nice engraving. Mine has seen better days, it was owned by my wife's great aunt's 2nd husband (she's out lived 3 of them so far - currently unmarried guys).
This guy played around Cincinnati in some big bands but worked as a chiropractor for his "real" job. The horn when I got it had a hole in the 2nd valve slide, that he duck taped rather than having it fixed and the lead pipe had a twist in it from where he removed a stuck mouthpiece with a vice grip. Aunt Anne kept wanting to get him a new horn, but he knew he couldn't replace his horn (money wasn't an issue for them). You still would have thought that he would have had it repaired.
I spent $200 to have the slides unstuck, the hole fixed and the leadpipe untwisted.
It does seem to have some intonation issues, but really a cool old horn.

Someone else listed a link to H N White Company Makers of King Band Instruments 1893-1965 where you can find out more about a Liberty Trumpet. With the serial number you should be able to figure out about when it was made.

stradguy · 09-01-2007, 05:17 PM

i have a 1930's do you know if the end of the third valve slide comes out like a strad? mine is eather stuck or it isn't made to move

brian moon · 09-01-2007, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stradguy

i have a 1930's do you know if the end of the third valve slide comes out like a strad? mine is eather stuck or it isn't made to move

Sorry, but it's stuck.

stradguy · 09-02-2007, 09:34 AM

so it's made to move?

veery715 · 09-02-2007, 01:10 PM

Look at your strad. The 3rd valve dump slide has two sections, one above the other, which are about 1/4" long and inside of which the tubing which slides in and and out of the rest of the slide is soldered. So if you remove the dump section and look at it, the greased tubing fits into those collars and is fastened inside them.
There needs to be a similar set of collars on your King. If there aren't, or there are just "rings" that separate the bent U from the rest, there is no removable piece.

brian moon · 09-02-2007, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stradguy

so it's made to move?

Yes, the original third slide on a Liberty is has two pieces. If it doesn't move it is because it is stuck. It is highly unlikely that the original would have been replaced with a one piece slide because it would be next to impossible to find one that would fit.

stradguy · 09-02-2007, 03:53 PM

thanks, i have a king liberty, that is really worn out, but still plays like a champ, does anyone make kits or something to fix them up, something like parts?

08-24-2007, 03:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
stradguy Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montevallo,Alabama Posts: 87	King Librety Trumpet Does anyone know anthing about a king librety trumpet, from the thirtys __________________ Conn Vocabell 40A 1938 King Liberty King Super 20 Weird really old Joseph Brunn Flugel Horn

08-24-2007, 04:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
veery715 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 628	Re: King Librety Trumpet Generally awesome horns if in good shape. Some had multicolored gold and silver layouts. Lots of info at the site: H N White Trumpets: Liberty, Master, 2-B, Super 20, Silver Flair. I believe oldlou (forum member) is an expert. __________________ Music = Love Trumpets: Lawler Bb / Olds Recording / Schilke B2 Selmer Rad 2 / Yamaha 8310Z Holton MF ST 550S / Stage 1 California C Easyplay mini-trumpet (????) / Chinese Special / Benetone 1934 Cleveland (HN White) 603 Silver Plate w/ Gold Bell Kanstul ZKT 1525 Flugelhorn Cornets: Conn 36A / King Super 20 Master Olds Ambassador / Conn 18A King HN White 1904 Bb+A / Ohio Regent Soloist Conn 16E Eb/F Mellophone Piano, keyboards, vibes, congas, guitars, yada yada

08-28-2007, 04:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
veery715 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 628	Re: King Librety Trumpet Try the "other forum" trumpetherald, for posts by oldlou on the King Libertys. __________________ Music = Love Trumpets: Lawler Bb / Olds Recording / Schilke B2 Selmer Rad 2 / Yamaha 8310Z Holton MF ST 550S / Stage 1 California C Easyplay mini-trumpet (????) / Chinese Special / Benetone 1934 Cleveland (HN White) 603 Silver Plate w/ Gold Bell Kanstul ZKT 1525 Flugelhorn Cornets: Conn 36A / King Super 20 Master Olds Ambassador / Conn 18A King HN White 1904 Bb+A / Ohio Regent Soloist Conn 16E Eb/F Mellophone Piano, keyboards, vibes, congas, guitars, yada yada

08-30-2007, 05:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
gglassmeyer Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 192	Re: King Librety Trumpet I have a LIberty that is one of the 1932 Models from just prior to the Liberty #2 in 1933. It's really fun to play and most of them have some nice engraving. Mine has seen better days, it was owned by my wife's great aunt's 2nd husband (she's out lived 3 of them so far - currently unmarried guys). This guy played around Cincinnati in some big bands but worked as a chiropractor for his "real" job. The horn when I got it had a hole in the 2nd valve slide, that he duck taped rather than having it fixed and the lead pipe had a twist in it from where he removed a stuck mouthpiece with a vice grip. Aunt Anne kept wanting to get him a new horn, but he knew he couldn't replace his horn (money wasn't an issue for them). You still would have thought that he would have had it repaired. I spent $200 to have the slides unstuck, the hole fixed and the leadpipe untwisted. It does seem to have some intonation issues, but really a cool old horn. Someone else listed a link to H N White Company Makers of King Band Instruments 1893-1965 where you can find out more about a Liberty Trumpet. With the serial number you should be able to figure out about when it was made. __________________ Greg Glassmeyer

09-01-2007, 05:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
stradguy Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montevallo,Alabama Posts: 87	Re: King Librety Trumpet i have a 1930's do you know if the end of the third valve slide comes out like a strad? mine is eather stuck or it isn't made to move __________________ Conn Vocabell 40A 1938 King Liberty King Super 20 Weird really old Joseph Brunn Flugel Horn

09-02-2007, 09:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
stradguy Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montevallo,Alabama Posts: 87	Re: King Librety Trumpet so it's made to move? __________________ Conn Vocabell 40A 1938 King Liberty King Super 20 Weird really old Joseph Brunn Flugel Horn

09-02-2007, 01:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
veery715 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 628	Re: King Librety Trumpet Look at your strad. The 3rd valve dump slide has two sections, one above the other, which are about 1/4" long and inside of which the tubing which slides in and and out of the rest of the slide is soldered. So if you remove the dump section and look at it, the greased tubing fits into those collars and is fastened inside them. There needs to be a similar set of collars on your King. If there aren't, or there are just "rings" that separate the bent U from the rest, there is no removable piece. __________________ Music = Love Trumpets: Lawler Bb / Olds Recording / Schilke B2 Selmer Rad 2 / Yamaha 8310Z Holton MF ST 550S / Stage 1 California C Easyplay mini-trumpet (????) / Chinese Special / Benetone 1934 Cleveland (HN White) 603 Silver Plate w/ Gold Bell Kanstul ZKT 1525 Flugelhorn Cornets: Conn 36A / King Super 20 Master Olds Ambassador / Conn 18A King HN White 1904 Bb+A / Ohio Regent Soloist Conn 16E Eb/F Mellophone Piano, keyboards, vibes, congas, guitars, yada yada

09-02-2007, 03:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
stradguy Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montevallo,Alabama Posts: 87	Re: King Librety Trumpet thanks, i have a king liberty, that is really worn out, but still plays like a champ, does anyone make kits or something to fix them up, something like parts? __________________ Conn Vocabell 40A 1938 King Liberty King Super 20 Weird really old Joseph Brunn Flugel Horn

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