mike ansberry

I understand that the player is the main ingredient, but I recently purchased a Conn 40B Vocabell from Ebay. To me it lends itself well to lead playing. It is a heavy horn and focuses the sound out in front. It has a very dense, cutting sound. For some reason, it seems to have a couple of extra notes on top that my other horns won't do for me.

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Eclipse MR in scratch gold
Olds Super/Ultrasonic
Conn 40B
Leblanc Paris large bore with Bach mouthpipe
Bach 37
Olds L-12 Flugel
Benge Picc
Buescher Cornet made in 1914
American Standard (King?) beginner trumpet (crap)

Willing to provide a good home for a stray Conn 48B or Olds Recording

Pete

I played a YTR 739T 25 years ago. It is a .463 bore as is the X3. At the time it was the horn for me. I was playing hard!I now play mostly on my 8310Z and it suits me fine in most situations. I have a Bach LT180-43 for other things.

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wiseone2

It is the choice of the player!
For the life of me I can not understand the question. I make choices predicated on MY likes and dislikes. I can play most things on a cheap trumpet........but ............does that horn feel great to me while I am putting it through it paces?
Can I and will I bet my future on just any horn?
I am the ultimate authority....... I choose what I wish to play!
Wilmer

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trumpetnick

We are all "Masters", aren't we? Trumpet Master someone will say. Masters to choose what horn to use.

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Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C
1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet
Spada Custom Piccolo

If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

rowuk

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. It was not until Eve ate the apple that designer clothes and trumpets became necessary. Unfortunately, that was the price paid for leaving the garden of Eden. We just have to live with the fact that our playing is us and not what we buy.

Special instruments have a creative influence on us. That is why they are popular. They do play "differently" and for the mature player, perhaps even "better". Put the accent on "mature"!

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jerec576

Wonderful,
It seems as though I have brought up an issue much greater than of what I had asked to begin with!

As for my faddis video, then how is he able to achieve this sound with an incredibly dense core and screech to it (Or at least thats how I see it)
when thousands of other players seem to sound completely different?

Been sitting today trying to figure out how the articulations are done to emulate that kind of tone, the only thing ive discovered is faddis probably has a stronger tongue than my arm is.


Now heres another one (ontop of my early comment), Why are these horns marketed in that manner?

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trumpetnick

Jerec,

If you want so badly to sound like him, why don't you try to contact him Jon Faddis' MySpace and have a lesson or two with him? This will worth thousands of threads and gear test reviews.

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Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C
1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet
Spada Custom Piccolo

If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

lakerjazz

One of the singers in that video is from the trio in White Men Can't Jump, in which my favorite version of Just a Closer Walk With Thee is performed: I thought the guy was a one time wonder, but apparently, he is a very famous singer!

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trumpetnick

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Spada Bach B flat 72, leadpipe 2L/DWMM1.5C
Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C
1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet
Spada Custom Piccolo

If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

Pete

Back to the topic, I don't think that these are marketed as lead trumpets, but have been labeled as such by trumpet players.

Two of these, the S42, and the Bach 37* are so hard to find, that I have not seen many around. I have an S42, and it is much heavier than the 8310Z which I also own, along with the Bach 43* mentioned earlier. The MF horn I never considered as a "lead" horn. It's way too big! Many misinterpret Maynard's role on his band. He was a soloist. He did not often play lead, even back in the Kenton days. That was Buddy Childers.

Anyway, The reason for the lead labels:
S42- Roger Ingram
8310Z- Bobby Shew
MF307/308- Maynard Ferguson
These players play well in the upper register. I'm sure that Bobby and Roger can play on any other horn and sound just as good.
Bach 37*- ??? How many of these are out there? I don't think that I've ever held one, and I live in an area that was predominantly saturated with Bach trumpets for many years, living here in the Northeast.

There are probably more "lead" trumpets out there that are ML bore trumpets than the four listed. The Bach 43/72* are more prevalent in big band or commercial playing because of the quicker response, but this in itself does not make them, or any others, lead horns. It's whatever does the job for you.

Anyway, everyone has fantasies of being a lead player, and connecting a specific model to that desire creates the label. I don't sound like Roger on the S42, and I don't sound like Bobby on the 8310Z. Both are good horns, but both play very differently IMHO. The Bach I played for 15 years without a thought of playing anything else. I used it for everything from lead to classical, and eveything in between. Just my ramblings!

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