Modified Bach Strad

jazz9 · 04-23-2008, 04:37 PM

Hello everyone, I am looking to buy my first pro horn, and I found an ad. It says the horn is a Bach Strad 37, Silver, with a special third valve slide that has been professionally modified to allow kicking out for challenging excerpts like Carmen. Has anyone played one of these that has had a conversion like this? It could be my first good horn.

Dale Proctor · 04-23-2008, 05:01 PM

It probably just has one of those long stop rods installed on it. You can adjust the nuts on it to allow you to play a low F natural without worrying about the slide falling out.

Vulgano Brother · 04-23-2008, 05:02 PM

Carmen calls for a low concert Eb, as does Ein Heldenleben. The stock third valve has a built in extention at the end of the slide--it can be pulled out and the concert Eb (our low f) is played 123. Arban mentions a "German Cavalry" trick of pulling the third slide--23 combinations can be played 3; the 123 combinations can be played 13, and there is really no compelling reason to have a quick draw third valve slide.

That being said, whoever went to the trouble of making that modification must have cared for that horn a lot, and well loved used horns are the best kind.

Good luck!

jazz9 · 04-24-2008, 04:23 PM

I really hope it is a good horn. I can't wait to play it, and it will hopefully be my first pro horn!

Dr. Zink · 04-24-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgano Brother

...Arban mentions a "German Cavalry" trick of pulling the third slide--23 combinations can be played 3; the 123 combinations can be played 13, ...

I knew there was a French connection somewhere! Wouldn't have thought German though. This "trick" is quite effective on A picc when playing C trumpet parts.

Dr.Z

Brass crusader · 04-25-2008, 07:51 AM

Hello,
If this Strad has been modified, it's probably a bit older. You'd probably do better to buy an older Strad than something new off the shelf today.
Good luck

Richard Oliver · 04-25-2008, 08:05 AM

Check pitches. Bring a friend who plays well in tune, a tuner, and your ears.

You sound very excited, and I hope it's all you're looking for and more!

See how much spread exists amongst partials with first 3 positions. And the usual suspects of D, Eb, and E.

I mention this not to toss a bucket of cold water, it's just the sort of thing one considers after the fact when we're in a section. Not a bad thing to get a leg up on before the fact.

Good Luck!

jazz9 · 04-25-2008, 09:46 PM

Yes, I'm very excited. I hope to play it for an extended period of time before I buy it. I don't really have a good player around here to play with, but I do have a tuner!

Elliot84 · 04-26-2008, 12:11 PM

i just bought that horn 2 months ago and i'm not to happy with it. the 3nd valve is messed it has a little this on it shaped like small lips and it rubbs against the valve casing causing it to wear and stick. not only that the horn is really dirty even when i took it out of the box all the slides were all warn and nasty. i wash it every week and it just gets more and more dirty. i dont really eat and play or anything like that, so i havent been happy with it, i'm thinking of changing it when i get home, i'm teaching in africa right now so i got kind of screwed haha.

Brekelefuw · 04-26-2008, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot84

i just bought that horn 2 months ago and i'm not to happy with it. the 3nd valve is messed it has a little this on it shaped like small lips and it rubbs against the valve casing causing it to wear and stick. not only that the horn is really dirty even when i took it out of the box all the slides were all warn and nasty. i wash it every week and it just gets more and more dirty. i dont really eat and play or anything like that, so i havent been happy with it, i'm thinking of changing it when i get home, i'm teaching in africa right now so i got kind of screwed haha.

The acidity of your saliva could be reacting with your valve oil causing stuff to build up in your horn. Try different oil.

04-23-2008, 04:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Brand: Bach Posts: 283	Modified Bach Strad Hello everyone, I am looking to buy my first pro horn, and I found an ad. It says the horn is a Bach Strad 37, Silver, with a special third valve slide that has been professionally modified to allow kicking out for challenging excerpts like Carmen. Has anyone played one of these that has had a conversion like this? It could be my first good horn.
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04-23-2008, 05:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: Modified Bach Strad It probably just has one of those long stop rods installed on it. You can adjust the nuts on it to allow you to play a low F natural without worrying about the slide falling out.
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04-23-2008, 05:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,969	Re: Modified Bach Strad Carmen calls for a low concert Eb, as does Ein Heldenleben. The stock third valve has a built in extention at the end of the slide--it can be pulled out and the concert Eb (our low f) is played 123. Arban mentions a "German Cavalry" trick of pulling the third slide--23 combinations can be played 3; the 123 combinations can be played 13, and there is really no compelling reason to have a quick draw third valve slide. That being said, whoever went to the trouble of making that modification must have cared for that horn a lot, and well loved used horns are the best kind. Good luck!
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04-24-2008, 04:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Brand: Bach Posts: 283	Re: Modified Bach Strad I really hope it is a good horn. I can't wait to play it, and it will hopefully be my first pro horn!
	__________________ Bach Strad 37

04-25-2008, 07:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
Brass crusader Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near Buffalo Brand: F.E Olds and Son, Yamaha Posts: 93	Re: Modified Bach Strad Hello, If this Strad has been modified, it's probably a bit older. You'd probably do better to buy an older Strad than something new off the shelf today. Good luck
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04-25-2008, 08:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,205	Re: Modified Bach Strad Check pitches. Bring a friend who plays well in tune, a tuner, and your ears. You sound very excited, and I hope it's all you're looking for and more! See how much spread exists amongst partials with first 3 positions. And the usual suspects of D, Eb, and E. I mention this not to toss a bucket of cold water, it's just the sort of thing one considers after the fact when we're in a section. Not a bad thing to get a leg up on before the fact. Good Luck!

04-25-2008, 09:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Brand: Bach Posts: 283	Re: Modified Bach Strad Yes, I'm very excited. I hope to play it for an extended period of time before I buy it. I don't really have a good player around here to play with, but I do have a tuner!
	__________________ Bach Strad 37

04-26-2008, 12:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Elliot84 New Friend Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto Brand: Bach,Yamaha,Gezten Posts: 13	Re: Modified Bach Strad i just bought that horn 2 months ago and i'm not to happy with it. the 3nd valve is messed it has a little this on it shaped like small lips and it rubbs against the valve casing causing it to wear and stick. not only that the horn is really dirty even when i took it out of the box all the slides were all warn and nasty. i wash it every week and it just gets more and more dirty. i dont really eat and play or anything like that, so i havent been happy with it, i'm thinking of changing it when i get home, i'm teaching in africa right now so i got kind of screwed haha.
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