New trumpet for young girl.

paultandberg · 11-25-2006, 01:20 PM

Hello, (and thank you for your time and help)

I am going to get my 11-year-old daughter a new trumpet for Christmas.
I want it to be a brand new beautiful horn.
I want it to be easy to play.
And I want it to serve her very well for a long time. She just got promoted to the school
pep band, and I expect her greatest joy, and exposure, for the duration
of her H.S. career will be in the pep band.

Her band teacher recommended that I consult with some experienced trumpet people.

My first choice, prior to reading trumpet forums, was an intermediate-level Yamaha,
a silver-plated 4335 with monel valves.
(I may have the number wrong, but it was 4XXX something)

Then I read that the 700 series Kanstul and Getzen brands
were preferred by many as a pre-pro horn.

Then I read that I should just get her a Yamaha Xeno and be done with it.
Skip intermediate instruments and go right to the reasonably-priced top.

So, I was ready to get a Xeno, with the decision about the .459 bore or
the .462 bore being all that remained to be determined.
(numbers again may be incorrect, but there are two different bores in Xenoland,
and the decision between the two confused me)

THEN (and this is actually the point of my post), I read a review that said
a Xeno could be a lot of horn for a young person to blow
(it needs a lot of wind and armature to sustain notes???), and I suddenly visualized
my 83 lb. sprite of a daughter, who is likely to remain sprite-like for some time.
I want the horn to be the right horn right away,
because now is important to 11 yr olds.

I want a horn she can grow with, not a horn she needs to grow into.

I found myself thinking again about the Getzen 700. A light, easy to blow horn with
durable, easy to maintain, valves.

Then I read that the Getzen could be overblown by a big blower,
and the Kanstul 700 was the horn.
But will my slight daughter ever over-blow anything?
Maybe she needs light, bright, precision.
A sweet, nimble horn she can whip around like a sports car.

And no one ever mentioned the intermediate Yamaha 4000 series.

Question: For an 11-yr-old girl, who will likely never be a large person,
and whose immediate need is for a snappy pep band trumpet,
not an orchestra or blues tool, but who should also have a horn that warms her heart
during practice, get a Getzen 700, a Kanstul 700, a Yamaha 4000 series, or a Xeno?

(and if a Xeno, should it be the smaller bore or the larger bore?)

(and will all these horns fall within the wisely stated parameters of making less of
a difference than missing a couple days of practice? )

(I am ready to spend what it reasonably takes, but I am not adverse to saving some
money, you know, for her college, and, maybe some new golf clubs for Santa)

Thanks,

Paul

Solar Bell · 11-25-2006, 01:24 PM

All the horns you mention would be a nice step up.....

If it were me...it would be the Getzen.

Good horn and great valves (nickle plated) . A great step up trumpet.

-cw-

paultandberg · 11-25-2006, 01:40 PM

Thanks, Chuck.

The Getzen comes with a soft-sided case, which appeals to me,
if it is sturdy enough to stand up to the rigors of trips on the school music bus.

Is it?

My daughter is careful, but a school bus is a school bus, and sometimes instruments get stacked,
and, well, you know.

Thanks again,
Paul

dwindham · 11-25-2006, 01:49 PM

I agree the "intermediate" yamaha/bach are a waste. I went from an old yamaha beginner to a Bach Tr200. At the time I liked it cause it was silver/pretty. Now being older, possibly wiser, and having played pro horns I can agree with that statement.

The getzen are nice horns. I just picked up a Getzen capri cornet for my 7 yr old to learn on from the brook mays fire sale for $109.

Its their step up horn and I figure should serve him well for a while.

For my own I am going to upgrade with a 1950s conn 6b victor. Cheaper than modern pro horns, more appeal to me and should hold or increase in value.

By the way, the gezten valves are very nice and after seeing them first hand I can see why many rave about them.

Solar Bell · 11-25-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paultandberg

Thanks, Chuck.

The Getzen comes with a soft-sided case, which appeals to me,
if it is sturdy enough to stand up to the rigors of trips on the school music bus.

Is it?

My daughter is careful, but a school bus is a school bus, and sometime instruments get stacked,
and, well, you know.

Thanks again,
Paul

I would definitely look into a sturdier case, especially for a school player.

ProTec makes very protective cases at a very reasonable price.

But a harder case is a must!

And WELCOME to the TrumpetMaster site!

-cw-

wiseone2 · 11-25-2006, 02:11 PM

I played an excellent student model trumpet at Trumpet Friday.
The Jaeger Trumpet made by Trumpets Plus is a winner.

They can be reached at www.trumpetsplus.com.

Wilmer

Solar Bell · 11-25-2006, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseone2

I played an excellent student model trumpet at Trumpet Friday.
The Jaeger Trumpet made by Trumpets Plus is a winner.

They can be reached at www.trumpetsplus.com.

Wilmer

Good idea Wilmer!

Ivan shared a room at the ITG conference with Eclipse.

He is a super nice guy (and a world champion cornet player!) and his horns were very nice also.

He is worth a call!

-cw-

Dave Mickley · 11-25-2006, 03:00 PM

I don't belive your girl will out grow any of the three horns mentioned, Getzen-Kanstul or the one mentioned by Wilmer unless she decides to pursue music as a major in college. All three horns should be the last horn needed up through high school [all three are better than any horn I played until after I got out of school and I played in a top ranked stage band during high school].Dave

cornetguy · 11-25-2006, 03:49 PM

forget the step up go to the pro line, the Getzens are really good. (if I were buying today I would be looking at the custom line) and not that expensive. look at the Eterna or maybe Capri line for an 11 year old and it will serve her well for HS and beyond unless she becomes a music major. For Yamaha I would go with the pro model standard weight, or Xeno, the one I liked the best of the Yamaha Bb's is the Vax model if you can find one. (Vax went to Getzen adn that model has been discontinued)

KJaeger · 11-25-2006, 05:48 PM

Paul:

You have some great advice from some great people already. Getzen and Kanstul in particular are both excellent brands (I own two Kanstuls myself with another on order, and I have not yet played one that was sub-par in quality or playability), and their "intermediate" horns are as good as many "pro" quality horns. Getzen valves are considered by many to be the best and most durable, period. You could not go wrong with either one.

I would only add that you get the horn that meets your daughter's needs, and then if you are concerned about the bag/case it comes with then get a nice Protec case to replace it. (I would agree that a soft-sided case is not sufficient for going to/from school etc). You can even purchase Protec cases on Amazon now for a reasonable price - and they surpass most of the manufacturers' standard hard cases in "cool" factor as well

11-25-2006, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
paultandberg New Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 22	New trumpet for young girl. Hello, (and thank you for your time and help) I am going to get my 11-year-old daughter a new trumpet for Christmas. I want it to be a brand new beautiful horn. I want it to be easy to play. And I want it to serve her very well for a long time. She just got promoted to the school pep band, and I expect her greatest joy, and exposure, for the duration of her H.S. career will be in the pep band. Her band teacher recommended that I consult with some experienced trumpet people. My first choice, prior to reading trumpet forums, was an intermediate-level Yamaha, a silver-plated 4335 with monel valves. (I may have the number wrong, but it was 4XXX something) Then I read that the 700 series Kanstul and Getzen brands were preferred by many as a pre-pro horn. Then I read that I should just get her a Yamaha Xeno and be done with it. Skip intermediate instruments and go right to the reasonably-priced top. So, I was ready to get a Xeno, with the decision about the .459 bore or the .462 bore being all that remained to be determined. (numbers again may be incorrect, but there are two different bores in Xenoland, and the decision between the two confused me) THEN (and this is actually the point of my post), I read a review that said a Xeno could be a lot of horn for a young person to blow (it needs a lot of wind and armature to sustain notes???), and I suddenly visualized my 83 lb. sprite of a daughter, who is likely to remain sprite-like for some time. I want the horn to be the right horn right away, because now is important to 11 yr olds. I want a horn she can grow with, not a horn she needs to grow into. I found myself thinking again about the Getzen 700. A light, easy to blow horn with durable, easy to maintain, valves. Then I read that the Getzen could be overblown by a big blower, and the Kanstul 700 was the horn. But will my slight daughter ever over-blow anything? Maybe she needs light, bright, precision. A sweet, nimble horn she can whip around like a sports car. And no one ever mentioned the intermediate Yamaha 4000 series. Question: For an 11-yr-old girl, who will likely never be a large person, and whose immediate need is for a snappy pep band trumpet, not an orchestra or blues tool, but who should also have a horn that warms her heart during practice, get a Getzen 700, a Kanstul 700, a Yamaha 4000 series, or a Xeno? (and if a Xeno, should it be the smaller bore or the larger bore?) (and will all these horns fall within the wisely stated parameters of making less of a difference than missing a couple days of practice? ) (I am ready to spend what it reasonably takes, but I am not adverse to saving some money, you know, for her college, and, maybe some new golf clubs for Santa) Thanks, Paul Last edited by paultandberg; 11-25-2006 at 01:54 PM. Reason: reading ease

11-25-2006, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 3,998	All the horns you mention would be a nice step up..... If it were me...it would be the Getzen. Good horn and great valves (nickle plated) . A great step up trumpet. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

11-25-2006, 01:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
paultandberg New Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 22	Thanks, Chuck. The Getzen comes with a soft-sided case, which appeals to me, if it is sturdy enough to stand up to the rigors of trips on the school music bus. Is it? My daughter is careful, but a school bus is a school bus, and sometimes instruments get stacked, and, well, you know. Thanks again, Paul Last edited by paultandberg; 11-25-2006 at 02:02 PM.

11-25-2006, 01:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
dwindham Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 85	I agree the "intermediate" yamaha/bach are a waste. I went from an old yamaha beginner to a Bach Tr200. At the time I liked it cause it was silver/pretty. Now being older, possibly wiser, and having played pro horns I can agree with that statement. The getzen are nice horns. I just picked up a Getzen capri cornet for my 7 yr old to learn on from the brook mays fire sale for $109. Its their step up horn and I figure should serve him well for a while. For my own I am going to upgrade with a 1950s conn 6b victor. Cheaper than modern pro horns, more appeal to me and should hold or increase in value. By the way, the gezten valves are very nice and after seeing them first hand I can see why many rave about them. __________________ Yamaha 6335S 1965 Holton Revelation Cornet 1959 Olds Special 1939 King Liberty 1919 Holton IT Security professional Comeback hobbyist player Last edited by dwindham; 11-25-2006 at 01:54 PM.

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wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Forte User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,366	I played an excellent student model trumpet at Trumpet Friday. The Jaeger Trumpet made by Trumpets Plus is a winner. They can be reached at www.trumpetsplus.com. Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

11-25-2006, 03:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dave Mickley Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 384	I don't belive your girl will out grow any of the three horns mentioned, Getzen-Kanstul or the one mentioned by Wilmer unless she decides to pursue music as a major in college. All three horns should be the last horn needed up through high school [all three are better than any horn I played until after I got out of school and I played in a top ranked stage band during high school].Dave __________________ formerly known as old geezer Dave C7 Yam. 231 Fl. 15383 King Master Cornet 295628 Weril Cornet Lo 7535

11-25-2006, 03:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
cornetguy Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 778	forget the step up go to the pro line, the Getzens are really good. (if I were buying today I would be looking at the custom line) and not that expensive. look at the Eterna or maybe Capri line for an 11 year old and it will serve her well for HS and beyond unless she becomes a music major. For Yamaha I would go with the pro model standard weight, or Xeno, the one I liked the best of the Yamaha Bb's is the Vax model if you can find one. (Vax went to Getzen adn that model has been discontinued) __________________ Per aspera ad astra

11-25-2006, 05:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
KJaeger Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 84	Paul: You have some great advice from some great people already. Getzen and Kanstul in particular are both excellent brands (I own two Kanstuls myself with another on order, and I have not yet played one that was sub-par in quality or playability), and their "intermediate" horns are as good as many "pro" quality horns. Getzen valves are considered by many to be the best and most durable, period. You could not go wrong with either one. I would only add that you get the horn that meets your daughter's needs, and then if you are concerned about the bag/case it comes with then get a nice Protec case to replace it. (I would agree that a soft-sided case is not sufficient for going to/from school etc). You can even purchase Protec cases on Amazon now for a reasonable price - and they surpass most of the manufacturers' standard hard cases in "cool" factor as well __________________ - Kevin Jaeger Pikes Peak Philharmonic Colorado Springs, CO

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