Welcome to TrumpetMaster.com

You are currently viewing our trumpet site as a guest, which gives you limited access to many features. By joining our community you will be able to post topics in our trumpet forum, place ads in our classifieds, add your upcoming event to our calendar, communicate privately with other members (PM), and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free!

We hope you will join our community today!


Go Back   TrumpetMaster > Equipment > Horns
Horns Discuss Pistons vs. Rotaries in the Equipment forums; Good Morning Manny! Here on the TM you've discussed the new Schagerls a little bit, but I have some ...
Register FAQ Support TM Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-01-2005, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
Johntpt
Pianissimo User

 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Toluca, Mexico
Posts: 158
Johntpt is on a distinguished road
Pistons vs. Rotaries

Good Morning Manny!

Here on the TM you've discussed the new Schagerls a little bit, but I have some more in-depth questions. How have your thought on playing rotaries changed over the years? I know the when you first joined the MO you used them only reluctantly. I think that the new German C trumpets built by Schagerl, Kühn, and others are much better than the Monkes and Ganters of 20-30 years ago.

With the new Schagerls, do you decide when to use them or do you take the cues from the conductor? Do guest conductors ever suggest the use of rotaries when you might be using the pistons? Do you prefer to use them for entire programs, or do you switch for various pieces? For example, if you were playing the following program:

Brahms Academic
Bartok Piano Concerto No. 2
Schumann Symphony No. 2

would you switch to pistons for the Bartok, or would you just use the rotaries on all the pieces? On the above program if the Schumann was replaced with Shostakovich 5, would you use rotaries on the Brahms, or would you just use pistons on all pieces?

On tours do you "economize" to not have to bring so many horns by playing something on pistons on which you might otherwise use rotaries?

What do you recommend for practicing on rotaries? Does your concept of sound or style change? What else do you do differently on the rotaries? Also, on weeks when you use the rotaries, do you warm up on them or do other practice on them? Do you use the same mouthpiece or do you switch to something deeper or to a German mouthpiece?

Thanks for your stories. Your posts on this site contain some of the best written trumpet articles I've ever read!

JU
Johntpt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2005, 10:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
Manny Laureano
Utimate User

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 5,989
Manny Laureano has a spectacular aura about
John,

Great questions... tomorrow afternoon I have off so I'll address them then.

Stand by!

ML
Manny Laureano is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2005, 05:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
Manny Laureano
Utimate User

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 5,989
Manny Laureano has a spectacular aura about
Re: Pistons vs. Rotaries

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johntpt
Good Morning Manny!

Here on the TM you've discussed the new Schagerls a little bit, but I have some more in-depth questions. How have your thought on playing rotaries changed over the years? I know the when you first joined the MO you used them only reluctantly. I think that the new German C trumpets built by Schagerl, Kühn, and others are much better than the Monkes and Ganters of 20-30 years ago.

With the new Schagerls, do you decide when to use them or do you take the cues from the conductor? Do guest conductors ever suggest the use of rotaries when you might be using the pistons? Do you prefer to use them for entire programs, or do you switch for various pieces? For example, if you were playing the following program:

Brahms Academic
Bartok Piano Concerto No. 2
Schumann Symphony No. 2

would you switch to pistons for the Bartok, or would you just use the rotaries on all the pieces? On the above program if the Schumann was replaced with Shostakovich 5, would you use rotaries on the Brahms, or would you just use pistons on all pieces?

On tours do you "economize" to not have to bring so many horns by playing something on pistons on which you might otherwise use rotaries?

What do you recommend for practicing on rotaries? Does your concept of sound or style change? What else do you do differently on the rotaries? Also, on weeks when you use the rotaries, do you warm up on them or do other practice on them? Do you use the same mouthpiece or do you switch to something deeper or to a German mouthpiece?

Thanks for your stories. Your posts on this site contain some of the best written trumpet articles I've ever read!

JU
Dear John,

I still prefer playing my piston instruments but have learned to acquiesce to my MD's request to play the rotaries. His directive was specifically all classical repertoire and most Austian and German repertoire. We recently played an all Wagner show and used the rotaries all night long at my suggestion. It went just fine. I've learned to make some of the adjustments necessary to make it work.

With guest conductors, we just pretend it's Osmo and maintain the prime directive to play them on that repertoire. It's better that way as we tend to stay connected to them. In a given program we will switch to pistons when I deem it necessary, like for the program you sampled.

On tours we have trunks that are carted around by our staff so we don't have to carry them unless we really want to.

Interstingly, the way to deal with rotaries is to play them ferquently and become accustomed to the sound and intonation and response. There's no other way. I brought them home initially to practice intonation but now it's familiar to me and I know what to do with the bad notes and the ones that are quirky. I play a mouthpiece that is suffuciently deep on a fulltime basis so I don't switch to play the rotaries.

That's the story!

ML
Manny Laureano is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2005, 07:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
trumpetgirl612
Piano User

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: practice room 5
Posts: 260
trumpetgirl612 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to trumpetgirl612
how are rotaries different? i mean playing wise?

i have always wanted to try a rotary horn
__________________
~*~
More than just a trumpet player
trumpetgirl612 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2005, 08:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
Manny Laureano
Utimate User

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 5,989
Manny Laureano has a spectacular aura about
I'd like to defer to one of our overseas members to give a better, more thorough answer than I could.

Thanks,

ML
Manny Laureano is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Unleash Your Anger

TrumpetMaster
Copyright 2006 TrumpetMaster.com
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:59 AM.

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v2.2.0/Links 1.01
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34