Possible Strike at Vincent Bach!?!?!?!

imported_administrator · 03-30-2006, 02:06 AM

It looks like there might be a strike at Vincent Bach starting April 1st!

More info here at brassreview.com

http://www.brassreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286

Mikey · 03-30-2006, 07:14 PM

I'm glad I have my Yamaha Chicago C..............

tom turner · 03-30-2006, 07:52 PM

Hi,

Sadly, the handwriting is on the wall . . . in huge red letters:

CHEAP CHINA LABOR MEANS THEY'LL SOON BE MAKING MOST OF THE WORLD'S MASS MARKET STEP-UP TRUMPETS

This won't affect the small custom makers who are responsive to each and every client . . . but it means the deathknell of companies like Selmer/Bach as far as them dominating the mass market for step up trumpets anymore.

Steinway/Selmer/Bach may not like it, since Bach is the most profitable segment of their company by far . . . but Bach may one day return to being a relatively small company, sold off to a few dedicated craftsmen currently working in the Bach factory.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Bach once again welcomed . . . and once again did custom horns for discerning clients . . . and at the highest standards possible? That may be the only market left for 'em after China takes over the huge high schooler market.

Tootsall · 03-30-2006, 08:02 PM

Yep... lot of union/anti-union rhetoric in that thread but the bottom line seems to be "cut costs or get outsourced". Well, it's come to almost every other manufacturing industry in North America; textiles, appliances, toys and games, computers and components. Heck, the Chinese were even exhibiting a car "Made in China" at the auto shows this year. (and you can bet it'll last longer than a Lada!)

Glad I've got my Schilke, Eclipse and Getzen tucked away nice and safe! Now if only I could afford a new flugel.

Mikey · 03-30-2006, 09:04 PM

I'm not rejoicing after hearing these labor troubles. WE all know Bach had consistency problems for a long time. Finally over the past few years they have been turning out some good horns. And now they are coming out with their version of the "Chicago" C trumpet. If those horns come out inconsistent, all that R&D money spent is in the toilet.

Mr. Steinway, kiss my

Siegtrmpt · 03-31-2006, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tootsall

Yep... lot of union/anti-union rhetoric in that thread but the bottom line seems to be "cut costs or get outsourced". Well, it's come to almost every other manufacturing industry in North America; textiles, appliances, toys and games, computers and components.

Looks like we're headed for the day where the big American musical instrument companies will simply be importers and marketers who stamp their name and distribute product to their network. The answer is pretty complex but it's not that American workers are making too much.....it's that American business and workers get taxed into oblivion. Our government is great at creating small business.....unfortunately those small businesses are GM, IBM, UAL, Ford.......

Clarino · 03-31-2006, 07:52 AM

Am I the only person who finds the date of this supposed strike, to make the whole thing questionable?

Surely this is a hoax.

Manny Laureano · 03-31-2006, 09:15 AM

Clarino,

I'm with you and have thought "What a good way to unload a bunch of horns releatively quickly..."

Hmmm.. could be wrong but...

ML

B15M · 03-31-2006, 04:15 PM

I would be surprised if Bach had anything to do with a rumor like that.

That being said, I don't think it is true. If the Bach people made more than the auto workers that would be something. If the company is as successful as they say in that post they wouldn't be cutting that much. The idea is to pay as little as possible without getting the employees mad.

The whole thing is wacky!!

tom turner · 03-31-2006, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarino

Am I the only person who finds the date of this supposed strike, to make the whole thing questionable?

Surely this is a hoax.

Nawwww . . . one minute on Google and here it is:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps.../Biz/603150469

The contract expires on April 1st . . . but this is no April Fools Joke.

Tom

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03-30-2006, 07:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
tom turner Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia, USA Brand: F. Oakes tpts/flug/cornet Posts: 788	Hi, Sadly, the handwriting is on the wall . . . in huge red letters: CHEAP CHINA LABOR MEANS THEY'LL SOON BE MAKING MOST OF THE WORLD'S MASS MARKET STEP-UP TRUMPETS This won't affect the small custom makers who are responsive to each and every client . . . but it means the deathknell of companies like Selmer/Bach as far as them dominating the mass market for step up trumpets anymore. Steinway/Selmer/Bach may not like it, since Bach is the most profitable segment of their company by far . . . but Bach may one day return to being a relatively small company, sold off to a few dedicated craftsmen currently working in the Bach factory. Wouldn't it be ironic if Bach once again welcomed . . . and once again did custom horns for discerning clients . . . and at the highest standards possible? That may be the only market left for 'em after China takes over the huge high schooler market.

03-30-2006, 08:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Yep... lot of union/anti-union rhetoric in that thread but the bottom line seems to be "cut costs or get outsourced". Well, it's come to almost every other manufacturing industry in North America; textiles, appliances, toys and games, computers and components. Heck, the Chinese were even exhibiting a car "Made in China" at the auto shows this year. (and you can bet it'll last longer than a Lada!) Glad I've got my Schilke, Eclipse and Getzen tucked away nice and safe! Now if only I could afford a new flugel.

03-31-2006, 07:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Clarino Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sheffield, England, UK Posts: 644	Am I the only person who finds the date of this supposed strike, to make the whole thing questionable? Surely this is a hoax.

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Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Clarino, I'm with you and have thought "What a good way to unload a bunch of horns releatively quickly..." Hmmm.. could be wrong but... ML

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B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,247	I would be surprised if Bach had anything to do with a rumor like that. That being said, I don't think it is true. If the Bach people made more than the auto workers that would be something. If the company is as successful as they say in that post they wouldn't be cutting that much. The idea is to pay as little as possible without getting the employees mad. The whole thing is wacky!!

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