Raw Copper

miles71 · 01-31-2007, 03:03 PM

Anyone have a Copper bell trumpet they have not gotten laquered? I am wondering what it looks like after some time. I know raw brass gets that cool, dull color brown to it, but does copper end up brown? Green? purple??

Also, anyone have a copper bell that is gold plated? Whataya Think?

Adam Smith · 01-31-2007, 03:13 PM

i know my copper mute turned brown.

gtromble · 01-31-2007, 08:17 PM

Anybody with a Schilke B5 has a plated pure copper bell. So it's not odd, or rare.

GT

nieuwguyski · 01-31-2007, 08:24 PM

I bought a Calicchio flugelhorn in copper. I bought it used, so I didn't have a say in the finish. It was unlacquered, and I had it lacquered as soon as I could. Maybe if I had waited it would have developed an even brown (or even green) patina. But I couldn't handle the black palm-prints that instantly appeared on the bell every time I played it.

DubbaCTrumpetMSU · 01-31-2007, 08:28 PM

Miles, did you ask Felix about it? I'm sure he'd have some idea...you getting anxious enough for that horn, yet?

miles71 · 02-01-2007, 03:05 PM

Of course I can't wait for my new baby, but I also know it will be worth the patience. Especially after playing the copper bell at the trumpet show. All I can say is ......................Dude!

I have spoken to Felix about finishes briefly, but I am sure we will talk more when the time is right to get the horn done. I had a B5 a long time ago and it was a great horn. Mine was silver, not gold. I assume they do the silver over it before the gold on copper.

Just wanted some insight from the trumpet master world.

dizzyizzy · 02-01-2007, 10:07 PM

Copper turns brown...even lacquered. For example, the OLD Conn Coperion's, 12-B's, have bells of copper "mix", and even lacquered, they brown up over time. In fact, IF they're "rosey", they've been refurbished.

nieuwguyski · 02-02-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzyizzy

Copper turns brown...even lacquered. For example, the OLD Conn Coperion's, 12-B's, have bells of copper "mix", and even lacquered, they brown up over time. In fact, IF they're "rosey", they've been refurbished.

True, with the nitro-cellulose lacquer used on vintage Conns. I suspect modern lacquers will keep copper untarnished as long as the lacquer is intact.

Dale Proctor · 02-03-2007, 01:07 AM

Just look at an old penney.

Robert Rowe · 02-04-2007, 11:51 AM

I have several. Conn 10A, Conn Directors (2), Getzen Copra-Temps (2).

Lacquered and lacquer-removed. Not a "big-deal" ... wouldn't worry about it. If you don't like how it looks, upon oxidizing over time ... or, just naturally ageing to a fine patina ... just polish it (with any copper/metal polish).

Only thing to be concerned about is verdigris (look it up), which is not likely to occur, given normal maintenance.

Personally, I like all my horns to age naturally. On the other hand, there are those "anal-compulsive" about shining horns.

Oh, well ....

Yr Fthfl Srvnt,
Robt

01-31-2007, 03:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 410	Raw Copper Anyone have a Copper bell trumpet they have not gotten laquered? I am wondering what it looks like after some time. I know raw brass gets that cool, dull color brown to it, but does copper end up brown? Green? purple?? Also, anyone have a copper bell that is gold plated? Whataya Think?
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01-31-2007, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Adam Smith Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MTSU Brand: Harrelson Posts: 186	Re: Raw Copper i know my copper mute turned brown.

01-31-2007, 08:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
gtromble Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 174	Re: Raw Copper Anybody with a Schilke B5 has a plated pure copper bell. So it's not odd, or rare. GT
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nieuwguyski Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 185	Re: Raw Copper I bought a Calicchio flugelhorn in copper. I bought it used, so I didn't have a say in the finish. It was unlacquered, and I had it lacquered as soon as I could. Maybe if I had waited it would have developed an even brown (or even green) patina. But I couldn't handle the black palm-prints that instantly appeared on the bell every time I played it. Last edited by nieuwguyski : 01-31-2007 at 08:26 PM.
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02-01-2007, 03:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 410	Re: Raw Copper Of course I can't wait for my new baby, but I also know it will be worth the patience. Especially after playing the copper bell at the trumpet show. All I can say is ......................Dude! I have spoken to Felix about finishes briefly, but I am sure we will talk more when the time is right to get the horn done. I had a B5 a long time ago and it was a great horn. Mine was silver, not gold. I assume they do the silver over it before the gold on copper. Just wanted some insight from the trumpet master world.
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dizzyizzy Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: VA Posts: 71	Re: Raw Copper Copper turns brown...even lacquered. For example, the OLD Conn Coperion's, 12-B's, have bells of copper "mix", and even lacquered, they brown up over time. In fact, IF they're "rosey", they've been refurbished.
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Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: Raw Copper Just look at an old penney.
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02-04-2007, 11:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Robert Rowe Piano User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Raw Copper I have several. Conn 10A, Conn Directors (2), Getzen Copra-Temps (2). Lacquered and lacquer-removed. Not a "big-deal" ... wouldn't worry about it. If you don't like how it looks, upon oxidizing over time ... or, just naturally ageing to a fine patina ... just polish it (with any copper/metal polish). Only thing to be concerned about is verdigris (look it up), which is not likely to occur, given normal maintenance. Personally, I like all my horns to age naturally. On the other hand, there are those "anal-compulsive" about shining horns. Oh, well .... Yr Fthfl Srvnt, Robt
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