Sidewinders...or Rotary Trumpets if you perfer

WAKeele · 10-11-2004, 01:23 PM

I just recently acquired my second rotary and want to get serious about how to properly play a rotary. I've been doing a decent amount of reading since I first started looking for my first horn and would like to hear from some guys that play them regularly, particularly European players.

I'm going to stick with my Yamaha 15E4 until I have the money again to play around. I'm trying to stick with a traditional style mouthpiece because I don't want to sound like an American trying to play Germanic horn. I just don't like how I sound playing my normal mouthpiece and have tried different combinations without any luck.

What were you Europeans told from your teachers when you first started on sidewinders? Stuff like that, you know.

My goal on the rotary is to be able to audition for a German orchestra and them not say, "oh, this guy's an American".

Thanks!

WAKeele · 10-21-2004, 02:09 PM

Well I'm giving up on this and just going to play the sucker way I think it should be played. :?

MUSICandCHARACTER · 10-21-2004, 05:17 PM

I can't believe that someone here hasn't had to play one. Surely we have a few European trumpeters on this board; If not, it is kind of amazing.

WAKeele · 01-17-2005, 06:47 PM

humm...

Heavens2kadonka · 01-23-2005, 01:04 AM

Y know, of all the musical instruments I have seen, from this weird Irish drum to a turtle shell banjo, I have never seen a rotary trumpet in my life, nor do I think I have ever been within 100 miles of one...

I don't think I have ever heard anyone even describe to me how they sound/feel compared to piston trumpets...

Van

Jeroen Jongeling · 01-23-2005, 07:17 AM

Take a look on the site www.breslmair.at . They are one of the leading mouthpiece manufacturers for rotary trumpets. Most players I know prefer the Breslmair mouthpiece on their rotary trumpet. The majority of top orchestral players, that play rotary as main horn (Germany, Austria), play with the Breslmair mouthpieces.

I play on a Lechner C rotary (not my main horn, that's a piston trumpet, thank god

). Currently I'm playing the Götterdämmerung here in Amsterdam, so it's rotary time. I started out with the Yamaha 16E4, which I really liked. Very friendly rim, intonation with the Lechner is very good and the sound is very warm. The Yamaha pieces really suprised me, as I was avoiding them my whole life (due to the "Japanese? Can't be good" - attitude). So, the Yamaha pieces are a good option, I think.

I switched to an old Bach special piece, because I needed more clarity in my attacks, esspecially in soft passages. It's an old 1C rim, with a B-cup, 25 throat and S backbore (symphonic, 24?). That rim gives me a bit more assistance in the soft attacks. The overall sound is a bit brighter, but still dark enough.

I'm thinking of ordering a Breslmair piece when I've finished this production. The Rheingold is coming up in april, so more rotary action to come. Hope my post helps you a bit in choosing a good piece.

Jeroen.

Heavens2kadonka · 01-23-2005, 12:43 PM

Boo-yah!

Van

Jeroen Jongeling · 01-23-2005, 02:16 PM

Regarding the difference between American and European players? You can almost always tell where somebody learned to play trumpet. It doesn't matter what trumpet you play, nor what mouthpiece you have on it. It's all about your style of playing, your sound, the way you approach the music, etc. In other words: your cultural background and environment.

WAKeele · 01-23-2005, 04:52 PM

Thanks Mr. Jongeling for your imput! It's nice hearing a European's take on rotaries. I guess to get the best idea on how to play like a German or Austrian is to study with one and listen to them live. Maybe I'll try to spend some time in Germany or Austria after I leave Chicago. Thanks again!

Heavens2kadonka · 01-23-2005, 10:13 PM

Lord, I would LOOOVE to study abroad sometime. Thats what I'm practicing toward: Getting a chance to study with the greats across the ocean, and taking from their sound.....

Van

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10-11-2004, 01:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
WAKeele New Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 49	Sidewinders...or Rotary Trumpets if you perfer I just recently acquired my second rotary and want to get serious about how to properly play a rotary. I've been doing a decent amount of reading since I first started looking for my first horn and would like to hear from some guys that play them regularly, particularly European players. I'm going to stick with my Yamaha 15E4 until I have the money again to play around. I'm trying to stick with a traditional style mouthpiece because I don't want to sound like an American trying to play Germanic horn. I just don't like how I sound playing my normal mouthpiece and have tried different combinations without any luck. What were you Europeans told from your teachers when you first started on sidewinders? Stuff like that, you know. My goal on the rotary is to be able to audition for a German orchestra and them not say, "oh, this guy's an American". Thanks! __________________ WAK

10-21-2004, 02:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
WAKeele New Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 49	Well I'm giving up on this and just going to play the sucker way I think it should be played. :? __________________ WAK

10-21-2004, 05:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newburgh, Indiana Posts: 1,165	I can't believe that someone here hasn't had to play one. Surely we have a few European trumpeters on this board; If not, it is kind of amazing. __________________ Dr. Jim Fox Licensed Mental Health Therapist Mouthpiece chart: www.ibowtie.com/tmptmpccharts.html

01-17-2005, 06:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
WAKeele New Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 49	humm... __________________ WAK

01-23-2005, 01:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	Y know, of all the musical instruments I have seen, from this weird Irish drum to a turtle shell banjo, I have never seen a rotary trumpet in my life, nor do I think I have ever been within 100 miles of one... I don't think I have ever heard anyone even describe to me how they sound/feel compared to piston trumpets... Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

01-23-2005, 07:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Amsterdam!!! Posts: 59	Take a look on the site www.breslmair.at . They are one of the leading mouthpiece manufacturers for rotary trumpets. Most players I know prefer the Breslmair mouthpiece on their rotary trumpet. The majority of top orchestral players, that play rotary as main horn (Germany, Austria), play with the Breslmair mouthpieces. I play on a Lechner C rotary (not my main horn, that's a piston trumpet, thank god ). Currently I'm playing the Götterdämmerung here in Amsterdam, so it's rotary time. I started out with the Yamaha 16E4, which I really liked. Very friendly rim, intonation with the Lechner is very good and the sound is very warm. The Yamaha pieces really suprised me, as I was avoiding them my whole life (due to the "Japanese? Can't be good" - attitude). So, the Yamaha pieces are a good option, I think. I switched to an old Bach special piece, because I needed more clarity in my attacks, esspecially in soft passages. It's an old 1C rim, with a B-cup, 25 throat and S backbore (symphonic, 24?). That rim gives me a bit more assistance in the soft attacks. The overall sound is a bit brighter, but still dark enough. I'm thinking of ordering a Breslmair piece when I've finished this production. The Rheingold is coming up in april, so more rotary action to come. Hope my post helps you a bit in choosing a good piece. Jeroen.

01-23-2005, 12:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	Boo-yah! Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

01-23-2005, 02:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jeroen Jongeling Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Amsterdam!!! Posts: 59	Regarding the difference between American and European players? You can almost always tell where somebody learned to play trumpet. It doesn't matter what trumpet you play, nor what mouthpiece you have on it. It's all about your style of playing, your sound, the way you approach the music, etc. In other words: your cultural background and environment.

01-23-2005, 04:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
WAKeele New Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tullahoma, TN Posts: 49	Thanks Mr. Jongeling for your imput! It's nice hearing a European's take on rotaries. I guess to get the best idea on how to play like a German or Austrian is to study with one and listen to them live. Maybe I'll try to spend some time in Germany or Austria after I leave Chicago. Thanks again! __________________ WAK

01-23-2005, 10:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	Lord, I would LOOOVE to study abroad sometime. Thats what I'm practicing toward: Getting a chance to study with the greats across the ocean, and taking from their sound..... Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

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