Strange thing...

J. Landress Brass · 06-19-2007, 08:40 PM

The other day a gentleman came in with a 50's Conn Connstellation coronet for a cleaning and dent work. As I was taking the dents out of the back turn of the bell, I went to use my magnet to find the dent ball and the magnet stuck to the horn. I then proceeded to try and stick the magnet elsewhere on the horn. To my surprise I could. This to me was quite odd since the entire horn with the exception of bell wire and valve guide retaining screws, was made from non-ferrous metals. After many phone calls to other technicians and craftsman around the world none of which had ever heard of a thing I called Anderson plating, who back in the 50's plated the horn. According to them sometimes nickel can be magnetic, hence the magnet sticking. I then tried this on several other Connstellations from the same period and could not get a magnet to stick.
If any of you have a Connstellation and a magnet laying around I would be curious to see your results.

Josh

rowuk · 06-20-2007, 04:28 AM

Sounds like they plated with "whatever was laying around" back then. We need to check the health of the owners of that horn. There is a lot of "Wellness" voodoo surrounding magnets. So much that I am surprised that no manufacturer produces magnetic mouthpieces - freer blowing, guaranteed triple C, increase chop strength instantly, blah, blah, blah............

Dale Proctor · 06-20-2007, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

...There is a lot of "Wellness" voodoo surrounding magnets. So much that I am surprised that no manufacturer produces magnetic mouthpieces - freer blowing, guaranteed triple C, increase chop strength instantly, blah, blah, blah............

Funny! I thought of that very thing on a long drive to a gig near Chicago 3 or 4 years ago (lots of time for thinking). Make the mouthpiece from ferritic stainless steel and magnitize it. Same advertising hype that you stated, including healing sore chops as you play. Or would they even get sore with the MagniSteel Mouthpiece? Just think of the possibilities!

stchasking · 06-20-2007, 09:00 AM

You can get mouth pieces made from austinitic stainless steel. One of the Austinitic alloys is slightly magnetic. I think it is T304.

Bill Bryant · 06-20-2007, 09:41 AM

Is a "coronet" the same as a cornet?

Dale Proctor · 06-20-2007, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Bryant

Is a "coronet" the same as a cornet?

Not exactly. When listed on eBay as a coronet, a cornet usually sells for less. Seems that the search for "cornet" listings won't pull up "coronets". When you catch on to this and also search for "coronets", you usually just get a lot of listings for old Dodge cars.

mike ansberry · 06-20-2007, 02:34 PM

I would think that this problem would make dent balls very difficult to use.

adonis74 · 06-20-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Proctor

Not exactly. When listed on eBay as a coronet, a cornet usually sells for less. Seems that the search for "cornet" listings won't pull up "coronets". When you catch on to this and also search for "coronets", you usually just get a lot of listings for old Dodge cars.

A cornet is a horn. A coronet is a crown worn by nobels, or a crownlike ornament for the head, as of gold or jewels.

Vulgano Brother · 06-20-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adonis74

A cornet is a horn. A coronet is a crown worn by nobels, or a crownlike ornament for the head, as of gold or jewels.

And a cornetto is a Zink, made of wood.

Dale Proctor · 06-20-2007, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adonis74

A cornet is a horn. A coronet is a crown worn by nobels, or a crownlike ornament for the head, as of gold or jewels.

06-19-2007, 08:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
J. Landress Brass Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 70	Strange thing... The other day a gentleman came in with a 50's Conn Connstellation coronet for a cleaning and dent work. As I was taking the dents out of the back turn of the bell, I went to use my magnet to find the dent ball and the magnet stuck to the horn. I then proceeded to try and stick the magnet elsewhere on the horn. To my surprise I could. This to me was quite odd since the entire horn with the exception of bell wire and valve guide retaining screws, was made from non-ferrous metals. After many phone calls to other technicians and craftsman around the world none of which had ever heard of a thing I called Anderson plating, who back in the 50's plated the horn. According to them sometimes nickel can be magnetic, hence the magnet sticking. I then tried this on several other Connstellations from the same period and could not get a magnet to stick. If any of you have a Connstellation and a magnet laying around I would be curious to see your results. Josh
	__________________ Josh Landress J. Landress Brass Wooden Sleeve Sound Enhancement System Hand-made Trumpets & Trombones Hand-made mouthpipes Mouthpiece alterations Expert Brass repair and restorations www.myspace.com/jlandress 516-521-7101

06-20-2007, 04:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: Strange thing... Sounds like they plated with "whatever was laying around" back then. We need to check the health of the owners of that horn. There is a lot of "Wellness" voodoo surrounding magnets. So much that I am surprised that no manufacturer produces magnetic mouthpieces - freer blowing, guaranteed triple C, increase chop strength instantly, blah, blah, blah............
	__________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

06-20-2007, 09:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,207	Re: Strange thing... You can get mouth pieces made from austinitic stainless steel. One of the Austinitic alloys is slightly magnetic. I think it is T304.
	__________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking

06-20-2007, 09:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bill Bryant New Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 13	Re: Strange thing... Is a "coronet" the same as a cornet?

06-20-2007, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
mike ansberry Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee, USA Posts: 316	Re: Strange thing... I would think that this problem would make dent balls very difficult to use.
	__________________ "Music is a fire in your belly that has to come out of your mouth, so you'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt" (paraphrase of Bleeding Gums Murphy)

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Internet Price Wars. Good thing or bad thing?	Taylor	Horns	34	11-21-2007 10:16 PM
Strange vibration	adonnadon	Trumpet Discussion	1	12-18-2005 11:35 PM
STRANGE DREAM	Clarence	TM Lounge	6	12-16-2005 03:00 PM
Strange Thoughts	Heavens2kadonka	Horns	14	09-29-2004 08:42 AM

Unleash Your Anger
Copyright 2006 TrumpetMaster.com	All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:41 AM. Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v2.2.0/Links 1.01 Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8