Trumpet Double

Vulgano Brother · 07-27-2007, 12:47 PM

The site doesn't seem to be working in English, but here is a link for a C/highG double trumpet. ---- Die Doppeltrompete - Beschreibung ---- Looks like a fun toy, but at 6600 Eurodollars, probably not on everyone's "must buy" list at the moment. If, however, the problem of the double trumpet has indeed been solved, we'll be seeing more of these in the future, maybe coming out of China. (I wonder if a double-cup mouthpiece is required to play one of these.)

Richard Oliver · 07-27-2007, 02:42 PM

Jerry,

What is it? I see a rotor? with some extra tubing? A Ghitalla set-up???

rowuk · 07-27-2007, 02:56 PM

Sounds like the right ax for WIMPS. Professor Dr. Lohse probably uses a picc for Bolero too!
I guess trumpet players are just not what they used to be!!!!! 100 years ago the "pros" could play many of those parts on the deep F trumpet - as a last resort they pulled out the "high Bb" trumpet (our conventional Bb today).

Vulgano Brother · 07-27-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by richardwy

Jerry,

What is it? I see a rotor? with some extra tubing? A Ghitalla set-up???

Yeah, like a french horn has a rotor to switch between F and (higher) Bb, this trumpet is supposed to switch from C to high G. Ghitalla had some weird half step rotors added to an old Martin and he could play it in tune!

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Originally Posted by rowuk

Sounds like the right ax for WIMPS.

I'm sure that's what they said about valves, too! It is interesting that the Europeans (Germans anyway) see the double horn as a Bb instrument that can switch to F, whereas in America it is seen as an F instrument that can switch to Bb.

ROGERIO · 07-27-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rowuk

100 years ago the "pros" could play many of those parts on the deep F trumpet - as a last resort they pulled out the "high Bb" trumpet (our conventional Bb today).

Robin... is this like the old story of, "When I was your age I walked 10 miles to school everyday, bare foot and up hill both ways".... ??? LOL

uhhh, Bolero on Bb? I think the "bull" would survive that fight...

Vulgano Brother · 07-27-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ROGERIO

Robin... is this like the old story of, "When I was your age I walked 10 miles to school everyday, bare foot and up hill both ways".... ???

Yeah, and we were so poor we had to recycle our own spit, too!

rowuk · 07-27-2007, 07:48 PM

Rogerio,
the part is written with a french D trumpet in mind, smaller than a Bb but more of a big band sound than the ray of white light that you get from a picc at that volume. The D trumpet absolutely ROCKS and gives the section a different more substantial sound. Especially in Bolero, the orchestration demands that single instruments do not stick out. I have yet to hear a picc that I couldn't pick out of a crowd - at that volume very easily - regardless of the mouthpiece size!

All in all, it is not like the good old days. They had a different set of problems back then, but in the mean time, most of those conductors are dead.

VB,
the reason that so many vintage horn valves are worn beyond repair is that they did use spit instead of valve oil!

Richard Oliver · 07-28-2007, 01:08 AM

We were so poor I had a tumbleweed as a pet.

It blew away.

Vulgano Brother · 07-28-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by richardwy

We were so poor I had a tumbleweed as a pet.

It blew away.

Actually it didn't blow away--it was a rushin' thistle, after all.

07-27-2007, 12:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,265	Trumpet Double The site doesn't seem to be working in English, but here is a link for a C/highG double trumpet. ---- Die Doppeltrompete - Beschreibung ---- Looks like a fun toy, but at 6600 Eurodollars, probably not on everyone's "must buy" list at the moment. If, however, the problem of the double trumpet has indeed been solved, we'll be seeing more of these in the future, maybe coming out of China. (I wonder if a double-cup mouthpiece is required to play one of these.) __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

07-27-2007, 02:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,206	Re: Trumpet Double Jerry, What is it? I see a rotor? with some extra tubing? A Ghitalla set-up???

07-27-2007, 02:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,365	Re: Trumpet Double Sounds like the right ax for WIMPS. Professor Dr. Lohse probably uses a picc for Bolero too! I guess trumpet players are just not what they used to be!!!!! 100 years ago the "pros" could play many of those parts on the deep F trumpet - as a last resort they pulled out the "high Bb" trumpet (our conventional Bb today). __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

07-27-2007, 07:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,365	Re: Trumpet Double Rogerio, the part is written with a french D trumpet in mind, smaller than a Bb but more of a big band sound than the ray of white light that you get from a picc at that volume. The D trumpet absolutely ROCKS and gives the section a different more substantial sound. Especially in Bolero, the orchestration demands that single instruments do not stick out. I have yet to hear a picc that I couldn't pick out of a crowd - at that volume very easily - regardless of the mouthpiece size! All in all, it is not like the good old days. They had a different set of problems back then, but in the mean time, most of those conductors are dead. VB, the reason that so many vintage horn valves are worn beyond repair is that they did use spit instead of valve oil! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

07-28-2007, 01:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,206	Re: Trumpet Double We were so poor I had a tumbleweed as a pet. It blew away.

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