horner

Ok, i think i get the weight thing now, what about the bore of the instrument?

Veldkamp

I don't agree, I've played lightweight Bachs ML37 and standard weight Bachs ML37s. I also played a lighter version of my B4 before I got the standard weight B4 I'm playing now. All the lighter horns sounded brighter. The Schilkes and the Calicchios are lightweight horns and therefore sound brighter.

My lighter van Laar horns sound lighter (less body) and are more flexible, my heavier van Laar Oiram sounds darker and slots better.

I just got a lightweight Chuck Findley model, and what I noticed is a faster response, more sizzle/bite when pushed. It still has enough feedback and projection. This factor has to do with how the bell is made.

My heavier Oiram sounds much darker compared to my CF model and slots very good. But it still leaks energy/gives me enough feedback. It works great as a solo horn but also works very good in a bigband section.

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There are other players using heavy horns. It's about the sound that you want. I have a 993 Monette, medium weight. When I use it to play lead, I can berry the band out front but, it's not the sound I want out there. When I play my Bach 37 standard weight, the sound breaks up a little and for me, that's the sound I want when I play lead. For sure, not as much sound is getting to the audience with the Bach.

I have done experiments with the Monette and the Bach. Playing some of the job on the Monette and some on the Bach. I have a pretty good idea whats happening out front and in the section.

When I play a show I can use the Monette and it's a way better sound than the Bach. (for me) I don't really want that break up of the sound in the show and I don't want to project. I just relax and play. When I play with a wind ensemble I use the Monette. Occasionally I miss the sound of the Bach up high but mostly the Monette has the sound I want.

I use the Bach in quintet when I'm playing with another Bach.

I never played first in a Symphony with the Monette so I can't comment.

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The bore size is a much misunderstood phenomena. There are as many "screamer" large bore trumpets as dark sounding smaller bore instruments. The teutonic sound mentioned in the Bach catalog actually refers to German rotary valved instruments that are medium to small bore.

I am sure, like weight, that the trumpet builder can get just about any sound that they desire.

My personal take is to FORGET the specs and just play anything you can get your hands on. Just rejoice in the opportunities as they pop up and believe me, as Vulgano Brother likes to say: your horn will find you!

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horner

Thanks for all the advice, will start searching soon.

Al Innella

Light weight trumpets and bell`s faver the upper partial`s of the overtone`s giving a brighter more lively sound think sizzle zing etc. Heavier weight horn`s tend to be darker , mellower more suited for orchestra or concert band.I have played in big bands with people who used heavy trumpets didn`t have a lead player`s sound ,like Bobby Shew or Wayne Bergeron who use light weight horn`s. Projection in my oppion is the same it depend`s on the way you blow and form embouchure. Bore size depend`s on how much air you can pump through the horn if you can fill it xlarge or large bore`s are louder than medium bore`s.For all around playing try the standard weight.

dabhand

Yes , when playing in a Function Band that is heavily amplified , the heavy horns project (just ask the Sound Engineer, he actually has my level lower than the other two lighter trumpets Bach Strad and Yamaha Xeno I play alongside with !) Great for open air festivals and big halls, but you can also play quieter than a lighter trumpet, the range of volume from soft to loud is greater
You do need to have good monitoring as you do not hear your heavy trumpet as well as the lighter trumpets, the metal is a lot thicker
Kind regards
Dabhand

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