trumpets that bear famous artist names - Page 3

horner · 10-23-2008, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGood

HORNER -

You are ahead in the game - you've inherited a nice flugel and mouthpiece.

I'm just a mere amateur - but I found high range more challenging on the flugelhorn in general vs trumpet (especially on the Bach flugel I played in college....).

The beauty of the sound of the flugel isn't in the stratosphere in my humble opinion.

If the Shew mouthpiece feels good - and its just your concern with range - I wouldn't spend the extra money on another mouthpiece for now - just work (and practice) with the mouthpiece you've got.

If you have the time - never hurts to try other mouthpieces - but as I'm sure you well know - takes a while to really get to know a new mouthpiece.

Best of luck

Yeah, i love the sound of a Flugel in the normal range, i was just a bit worried as i struggle to get it to a B above the stave when on my Trumpet i can get nearly an octave above that.

The flugel is sounds beautiful but the valves clunk, would anyone know how to fix this? Does it need going to an instrument repairer?

Dave king · 10-23-2008, 02:40 PM

I have a Olds' Mendez trumpet from 1962 and that is fantastic, my 13 year old son prefers it to my Schilke S42.

It's indistructable, it fell of my tall piano the other day and the only damage was to the wooden floor !

Al Innella · 10-30-2008, 10:39 AM

Trumpets with artists names were designed for that players approach to trumpet playing.Thats why they are all great players but each trumpet very different. If you want to try one dont pick one because you want to sound like the artist but because it plays well for you.Most of the trumpet players I`ve worked with used "standard models".

The Trumpet Shop · 10-30-2008, 12:52 PM

Horner, is it a yamaha Bobby Shew flugel mouthpiece or a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew? I have a Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz trumpet mouthpiece which is just ok. I have a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew flugel piece which I can do freaky stuff with.

horner · 10-30-2008, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Trumpet Shop

Horner, is it a yamaha Bobby Shew flugel mouthpiece or a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew? I have a Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz trumpet mouthpiece which is just ok. I have a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew flugel piece which I can do freaky stuff with.

I think its a Yamaha Bobby Shew, never heard of the other one.

BergeronWannabe · 10-30-2008, 01:56 PM

The Kanstul Wayne Bergeron is a great horn...
The Yamaha Wayne Bergeron horn is also great...
Wayne Bergeron would sound great on a Conn student horn...
Gosh, I wish I were as good as Wayne Bergeron!

The Trumpet Shop · 10-30-2008, 01:58 PM

Marcinkiewicz is a high-end horn and mouthpiece manufacturer who deals with big names like Tower of Power, Blood Sweat & Tears, Rick Braun and tons of other professionals. If you want more info, shoot me an email. Thanks!

rowuk · 10-30-2008, 04:14 PM

It is not the gun, it is the person pulling the trigger. The sooner that we recognize this tidbit of info, the sooner we are on our way to doing the right thing.

Most artist models have LITTLE design input from the artist. They only know how to play the trumpet. Designing an instrument needs a different skill set and designing a killer instrument needs even other skills.

The main reason for artist models is to increase sales by identification!

Play before you pay!

Schwab · 10-30-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Most artist models have LITTLE design input from the artist. They only know how to play the trumpet. Designing an instrument needs a different skill set and designing a killer instrument needs even other skills.

I'm not sure I agree with this, I think most people who have their own model trumpet have had a hand in designing them. They may not know what tapers do what where, but they know what works for them and what doesn't.

Put together a bunch of things that work for one person, and you have their artist model.

You can do the same thing for yourself if you go the custom horn route.

godchaser · 11-01-2008, 01:15 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rowuk

Most artist models have LITTLE design input from the artist. They only know how to play the trumpet. Designing an instrument needs a different skill set and designing a killer instrument needs even other skills.

"I'm not sure I agree with this. I think most people who have their own model trumpet, have had a hand in designing them." -Dylan

It's interesting, that all Trumpet design is 'FrankenTrumpet'. Particularly when we need draw the variable line between desirable and undesirable inter-exchange in these established & broadening design cues.

-At what point does a FrankenTrumpet truly yield a synergistic-design.

Strictly speaking, it doesn't seem reasonable that the input of Famous Artists, or so-called Great Players, holds any meaningful contribution in facility of 'design'. All due respect. Great Athletes have never been Good Coaches, much less Great Coaches. Great Drivers have never been Good Mechanics, nevermind Transcendent Engine Builders.

I suppose my point and questioning, is if an Artist makes a reference-drawing traced from design cues they have gathered from experiential preference in sound and response. -To what meaningful reference do these experiential preferences maintain, as this line vanishes in the progression of the Horn's R&D.

Which i guess, says that if R&D is afforded its due-course - the final development of the Horn renders Artist contributions moot-exercise. -And may well distinguish what is a desirable FrankenTrumpet, or legitimate innovative-design, rather than a failed collage of design-cue. Course this may well get into the scope and desire of commercial-interest the Horn is intended. Which may or may not be any less desirable, or relevant a supposed failure. But again, it's really interesting whether reference, or an initial design-formula remains present in the developing Horn. And if not, is this significant or meaningful greater Builder integrity/artistry, in its progressive R&D. And if so- would the Artist's disappearing reference, inspire their play, or would it leave them flat.

I have to think artistic-bias tends to lean on what it thinks it knows? If it's unknown to them: that their preferences have coalesced beyond their established-interest of sound & response. Likely they'd consider themselves a Genius of Trumpet-Design. :) -Possibly my questioning is more pointed and accurate, an artistic flexibility we're reluctant to acknowledge?

I hate to admit it. -But before this thread, i think i liked Builders better when i hadn't put two and two together. Pardon my blame-game.

LOL

Cheers-

-

10-23-2008, 02:40 PM	#22
Dave king New Friend Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 15	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names I have a Olds' Mendez trumpet from 1962 and that is fantastic, my 13 year old son prefers it to my Schilke S42. It's indistructable, it fell of my tall piano the other day and the only damage was to the wooden floor !

10-30-2008, 10:39 AM	#23
Al Innella Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 610	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names Trumpets with artists names were designed for that players approach to trumpet playing.Thats why they are all great players but each trumpet very different. If you want to try one dont pick one because you want to sound like the artist but because it plays well for you.Most of the trumpet players I`ve worked with used "standard models".

10-30-2008, 12:52 PM	#24
The Trumpet Shop New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 40	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names Horner, is it a yamaha Bobby Shew flugel mouthpiece or a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew? I have a Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz trumpet mouthpiece which is just ok. I have a Marcinkiewicz Bobby Shew flugel piece which I can do freaky stuff with. __________________ Charley @ The Trumpet Shop www.TheTrumpetShop.com Ok now I need a funny quote to fit in here... How about: "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Take a cab." Ok maybe not too funny, but it's original. I'll work on it. Couesnon Flugel Hub Van Laar Oiram Flugel & Trumpet (brushed gold) Marcinkiewicz Mic Gillette Rembrandt (silver/gold) Monette Ajna II (brushed gold) Taylor X-Lite (raw brass) 100+ others I wish I could keep.

10-30-2008, 01:56 PM	#26
BergeronWannabe Piano User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 415	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names The Kanstul Wayne Bergeron is a great horn... The Yamaha Wayne Bergeron horn is also great... Wayne Bergeron would sound great on a Conn student horn... Gosh, I wish I were as good as Wayne Bergeron!

10-30-2008, 01:58 PM	#27
The Trumpet Shop New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 40	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names Marcinkiewicz is a high-end horn and mouthpiece manufacturer who deals with big names like Tower of Power, Blood Sweat & Tears, Rick Braun and tons of other professionals. If you want more info, shoot me an email. Thanks! __________________ Charley @ The Trumpet Shop www.TheTrumpetShop.com Ok now I need a funny quote to fit in here... How about: "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Take a cab." Ok maybe not too funny, but it's original. I'll work on it. Couesnon Flugel Hub Van Laar Oiram Flugel & Trumpet (brushed gold) Marcinkiewicz Mic Gillette Rembrandt (silver/gold) Monette Ajna II (brushed gold) Taylor X-Lite (raw brass) 100+ others I wish I could keep.

10-30-2008, 04:14 PM	#28
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names It is not the gun, it is the person pulling the trigger. The sooner that we recognize this tidbit of info, the sooner we are on our way to doing the right thing. Most artist models have LITTLE design input from the artist. They only know how to play the trumpet. Designing an instrument needs a different skill set and designing a killer instrument needs even other skills. The main reason for artist models is to increase sales by identification! Play before you pay! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

11-01-2008, 01:15 PM	#30
godchaser Banned Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 782	Re: trumpets that bear famous artist names . Quote: Originally Posted by rowuk Most artist models have LITTLE design input from the artist. They only know how to play the trumpet. Designing an instrument needs a different skill set and designing a killer instrument needs even other skills. "I'm not sure I agree with this. I think most people who have their own model trumpet, have had a hand in designing them." -Dylan It's interesting, that all Trumpet design is 'FrankenTrumpet'. Particularly when we need draw the variable line between desirable and undesirable inter-exchange in these established & broadening design cues. -At what point does a FrankenTrumpet truly yield a synergistic-design. Strictly speaking, it doesn't seem reasonable that the input of Famous Artists, or so-called Great Players, holds any meaningful contribution in facility of 'design'. All due respect. Great Athletes have never been Good Coaches, much less Great Coaches. Great Drivers have never been Good Mechanics, nevermind Transcendent Engine Builders. I suppose my point and questioning, is if an Artist makes a reference-drawing traced from design cues they have gathered from experiential preference in sound and response. -To what meaningful reference do these experiential preferences maintain, as this line vanishes in the progression of the Horn's R&D. Which i guess, says that if R&D is afforded its due-course - the final development of the Horn renders Artist contributions moot-exercise. -And may well distinguish what is a desirable FrankenTrumpet, or legitimate innovative-design, rather than a failed collage of design-cue. Course this may well get into the scope and desire of commercial-interest the Horn is intended. Which may or may not be any less desirable, or relevant a supposed failure. But again, it's really interesting whether reference, or an initial design-formula remains present in the developing Horn. And if not, is this significant or meaningful greater Builder integrity/artistry, in its progressive R&D. And if so- would the Artist's disappearing reference, inspire their play, or would it leave them flat. I have to think artistic-bias tends to lean on what it thinks it knows? If it's unknown to them: that their preferences have coalesced beyond their established-interest of sound & response. Likely they'd consider themselves a Genius of Trumpet-Design. :) -Possibly my questioning is more pointed and accurate, an artistic flexibility we're reluctant to acknowledge? I hate to admit it. -But before this thread, i think i liked Builders better when i hadn't put two and two together. Pardon my blame-game. LOL Cheers- - Last edited by godchaser; 11-01-2008 at 01:22 PM.

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