What Cornet to get

Darktrumpeter · 08-13-2004, 05:21 PM

I'm thinking about getting a cornet but do not know what cornet to get. I am looking for a good professional cornet that doesn't cost over $2000. What key should I get the cornet in Bb or C.

sparxIII · 08-13-2004, 05:30 PM

A Lawler Bb cornet in raw brass will run you $1975.00US ......... it's a great cornet. I play one every day with a Sparx cornet mouthpiece.

you can 'link' to the Lawler trumpet web site from www.sparxmusic.com

Cheers,
Ted

MUSICandCHARACTER · 08-13-2004, 07:43 PM

You didn't mentioned what you plan on primarily using it for. Jazz? Brass Band? Symphonic solos? That would make some difference.

I can tell you that Ted is right about the Sparx mouthpieces (he maybe a little biased, but I don't sell them so I am not so biased). I have many, many friends who play their cornets with a Sparx. It is a good recommended place to start for a mouthpiece!

Jim

trumpetpimp · 08-14-2004, 03:08 AM

Re: Mouthpieces

Sparx has made a great cornet mouthpiece by working together with GR but I found the rim was'nt quite for me. If you like the Sparx pieces but find they're missing something in the feel consider having GR put a different rim on a cornet cup and shank.

Darktrumpeter · 08-21-2004, 07:14 PM

I am only a junior in high school now but am looking to go into trumpet as my career when I get out of college. My main goal is to try to get into a large ensemble band or orchestra i.e. NY Philharmonics. I am more interested in non-jazz music. I understand that you can't usually make it on just trumpet and I will be needing a cornet and most likely a piccolo trumpet. This is the reason I made this forum in hopes to find a good cornet and work hard on it so I will be pretty good at it before I go into college.

Yoder · 08-30-2004, 05:59 PM

I don't have cornets yet on my site, but try a ZeuS (that is what I sell.) Goto http://www.zacharymusic.com/ If you get a ZeuS, which I think is the best around for the money, and get it from Zachary Music before I get the Cornet pages up, tell them I referred you so you can get the rebate offer that is happening at my site.

Darktrumpeter · 09-01-2004, 12:32 AM

what is the effect of the same cornet with raw brass as apposed to silver, copper, laquer or gold

Tootsall · 09-01-2004, 12:37 AM

Well, one manufacturer has some ideas about finish vs sound. Go to http://www.eclipsetrumpets.com and check out what he has to say about "finishes". Of course, some other folks would undoubtedly dispute what Leigh says and claim that it makes no difference. The bottom line is, if you have the chance use your own ears and make your own decision.

Yoder · 09-01-2004, 02:42 PM

Here is a good source from Conn:

"Next, the material the instrument is made of. Different metals produce different overtones. Renold Schilke (the man behind the line of instruments carrying his name) did research into this some years ago, putting steel and lead bells on a trumpet and observing the results. Those results were somewhat surprising. The steel bell, when struck produced a beautiful "ping" sound, as you would expect. The lead bell, conversely, didn't "ring" at all. However, when played on a trumpet, the steel bell created so many overtones the results were chaotic when viewed on an oscilloscope. Not practical for musical purposes. The lead bell on the other hand produced almost no overtones at all, making the sound almost "mechanical". Both bells were useless for practical purposes. If you would like to read the entire paper Schilke wrote on this and other subjects, follow this link: Materials and their affect on the acoustics of brass instruments. http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/Brass%20Clinic.html# (You need to go down about six paragraphs to get to the good stuff.) Materials More useful for our purposes is the comparison between brass and various metals such as aluminum, silver, copper, gold and nickel. Aluminum, silver and nickel make a tone "brighter" compared to brass. Gold and copper on the other hand "darken" the tone. The more copper in the brass alloy, the darker the sound is. Hence coprion, and such alloys as "red/rose brass". The cause of these differences lies is in the hardness or inflexibility of the metals. The harder or more inflexible a metal is, the brighter the sound will be, and vice versa."

It is good reading and goes beyond finishes. 8)

08-13-2004, 05:21 PM	#1
Darktrumpeter Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 75	What Cornet to get I'm thinking about getting a cornet but do not know what cornet to get. I am looking for a good professional cornet that doesn't cost over $2000. What key should I get the cornet in Bb or C.

08-13-2004, 05:30 PM	#2
sparxIII New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto ON Canada Posts: 30	what cornet A Lawler Bb cornet in raw brass will run you $1975.00US ......... it's a great cornet. I play one every day with a Sparx cornet mouthpiece. you can 'link' to the Lawler trumpet web site from www.sparxmusic.com Cheers, Ted

08-13-2004, 07:43 PM	#3
MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newburgh, Indiana Posts: 1,166	You didn't mentioned what you plan on primarily using it for. Jazz? Brass Band? Symphonic solos? That would make some difference. I can tell you that Ted is right about the Sparx mouthpieces (he maybe a little biased, but I don't sell them so I am not so biased). I have many, many friends who play their cornets with a Sparx. It is a good recommended place to start for a mouthpiece! Jim __________________ Dr. Jim Fox Licensed Mental Health Therapist Owner: www.allbrassradio.com

08-14-2004, 03:08 AM	#4
trumpetpimp Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	Re: Mouthpieces Sparx has made a great cornet mouthpiece by working together with GR but I found the rim was'nt quite for me. If you like the Sparx pieces but find they're missing something in the feel consider having GR put a different rim on a cornet cup and shank. __________________ For sale: Courtois 154 flugel http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=5375 Kanstul 1500 Bb copper bell http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=7504

08-30-2004, 05:59 PM	#6
Yoder Piano User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Digital Domain Posts: 261	I don't have cornets yet on my site, but try a ZeuS (that is what I sell.) Goto http://www.zacharymusic.com/ If you get a ZeuS, which I think is the best around for the money, and get it from Zachary Music before I get the Cornet pages up, tell them I referred you so you can get the rebate offer that is happening at my site. __________________ http://www.co-bw.com

08-21-2004, 07:14 PM	#5
Darktrumpeter Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 75	I am only a junior in high school now but am looking to go into trumpet as my career when I get out of college. My main goal is to try to get into a large ensemble band or orchestra i.e. NY Philharmonics. I am more interested in non-jazz music. I understand that you can't usually make it on just trumpet and I will be needing a cornet and most likely a piccolo trumpet. This is the reason I made this forum in hopes to find a good cornet and work hard on it so I will be pretty good at it before I go into college.

09-01-2004, 12:32 AM	#7
Darktrumpeter Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 75	what is the effect of the same cornet with raw brass as apposed to silver, copper, laquer or gold

09-01-2004, 12:37 AM	#8
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Well, one manufacturer has some ideas about finish vs sound. Go to http://www.eclipsetrumpets.com and check out what he has to say about "finishes". Of course, some other folks would undoubtedly dispute what Leigh says and claim that it makes no difference. The bottom line is, if you have the chance use your own ears and make your own decision.

09-01-2004, 02:42 PM	#9
Yoder Piano User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Digital Domain Posts: 261	Here is a good source from Conn: "Next, the material the instrument is made of. Different metals produce different overtones. Renold Schilke (the man behind the line of instruments carrying his name) did research into this some years ago, putting steel and lead bells on a trumpet and observing the results. Those results were somewhat surprising. The steel bell, when struck produced a beautiful "ping" sound, as you would expect. The lead bell, conversely, didn't "ring" at all. However, when played on a trumpet, the steel bell created so many overtones the results were chaotic when viewed on an oscilloscope. Not practical for musical purposes. The lead bell on the other hand produced almost no overtones at all, making the sound almost "mechanical". Both bells were useless for practical purposes. If you would like to read the entire paper Schilke wrote on this and other subjects, follow this link: Materials and their affect on the acoustics of brass instruments. http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/Brass%20Clinic.html# (You need to go down about six paragraphs to get to the good stuff.) Materials More useful for our purposes is the comparison between brass and various metals such as aluminum, silver, copper, gold and nickel. Aluminum, silver and nickel make a tone "brighter" compared to brass. Gold and copper on the other hand "darken" the tone. The more copper in the brass alloy, the darker the sound is. Hence coprion, and such alloys as "red/rose brass". The cause of these differences lies is in the hardness or inflexibility of the metals. The harder or more inflexible a metal is, the brighter the sound will be, and vice versa." It is good reading and goes beyond finishes. 8) __________________ http://www.co-bw.com

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