Why Lawler?

bigaggietrumpet · 01-23-2004, 11:40 PM

I am currently looking for a new concert horn. It needs to have a very full warm sound. Currently, I am leaning towards a Schilke, but because I really don't know all that much about Lawler, if someone could, please tell me all the pros and cons.

Tootsall · 01-24-2004, 09:37 AM

Sounds to me like you are willing to spend some money and get a great horn. Speak to Bruce Lee about an Eclipse! Check their webpage and read through their bell descriptions.

Bruce Lee · 01-24-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaggietrumpet

I am currently looking for a new concert horn. It needs to have a very full warm sound. Currently, I am leaning towards a Schilke, but because I really don't know all that much about Lawler, if someone could, please tell me all the pros and cons.

Lawler trumpets are well known for their great response and intonation, as well as for their ability to blend very well with other manufacturer's horns. Stress-free bracing is used in the design, which contributes greatly to the quick response. In combination with a well-designed bell, and an efficient leadpipe that is balanced to the bell, the great slotting, and responsiveness allows the player to produce the sound that he/she desires.

Getzen valves, considered to be an outstanding within the industry, are now featured on all Lawler trumpets. The Lifetime Getzen Warranty has also been extended to the Lawler valve sections.

Additionally, because the horns are custom-built to the player, you have a choice of bell/leadpipe options, and finish, as well as customizations such as finger rings or hooks, and water keys.

For more information regarding model choices, ordering, or current build time, etc., please feel free to contact me off-board, via e-mail, or PM. Thank you!

Best always,
Bruce

Lawler Bb · 01-24-2004, 02:35 PM

Roy Lawler makes one of the finest trumpets on the market today. They can be custom made to your liking out of a wide variety of bell and leadpipe options. Roy and Bruce can certainly expand on this more, but I personally have not found a finer playing trumpet than my Lawler. I have played Blackburns and Monettes, and don't find them to be better than my Lawler. The workmanship on my Lawler is amazing and what a sound. Now having said that, my horn has a commercially-oriented sound, so that is where my perspective is from. I can go into more details if need be.

Make sure you play many different horns before you buy. For me, Schilkes are too bright and thin sounding for symphonic playing, YMMV.

dcstep · 01-24-2004, 04:25 PM

Anyone leaning toward Schilke should consider Callet Jazz, Yamaha Z, V-Raptor and Selmer Paris. Those horns are closer to Schilke in response than the typical Lawler (he can custom build to suit your needs, thus that's one big reason to consider him). They're all great horns, so long as you select one to suit your needs.

Dave

bkmdano · 01-24-2004, 05:49 PM

I've been thinking on how to respond to this thread. Since I owned and played a Schilke B5 for 6 years. I had Roy build a Lawler TL6r-1a after playing one at Bruce's Florida trumpet fest. I personally found the blow of the Lawler similar to my Schilke. Roy confirmed that many Schilke players have turned to Lawler due to the similarity in blow. I found that the Lawler is a little more open and responsive. The response became even better after I had Roy convert it to an sts model. This allows me to use the 6r bell or a 24 bell which blends well with Strads. The slotting on the Lawler is much better than my B5. I don't have the problems above high C as I did before. All this being said, I don't have to work as hard on the Lawler. It is the finest trumpet I have ever played.

Everyone has their own opinion and characteristics they are looking for. But I'm very happy and satisfied with my Lawler.

knf jazz cat · 01-24-2004, 08:29 PM

I'd say if you want a horn with a very warm sound, definitely look at the Callet Jazz/Symphonique. I have one and I love it, it's a very versatile horn; from lead playing to soloing in a jazz group to classical, the Callet can do it all excellently.

Bruce Lee · 01-25-2004, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dcstep

Anyone leaning toward Schilke should consider Callet Jazz, Yamaha Z, V-Raptor and Selmer Paris. Those horns are closer to Schilke in response than the typical Lawler (he can custom build to suit your needs, thus that's one big reason to consider him). They're all great horns, so long as you select one to suit your needs.

Dave

Hey, Dave!

I'm not understanding your meaning here, when you speak about a "typical" Lawler.

I've spent a significant amount of time playing a Callet Jazz, and might compare that more to a Schilke X3, with better slotting in the upper register. As for the other horns, they would bring to mind the Schilke B7, or B5... maybe even an X3L.

Since there are several models of Lawler trumpets available, I think that there are some great choices/options available to meet the individual player's needs... for a "typical" day of trumpet playing! :wink:

Best always,
Bruce

dcstep · 01-26-2004, 08:18 AM

Well, bigaggie hasn't told us which Schilke he likes, but I haven't heard which Lawler compares to a Schilke. I have only played a few, but they all reminded me more of Bachs. I haven't tried the Martin repros, but those certainly shouldn't remind one of a Schilke. So, which Lawler reminds you of a B1 or X3?

Dave

Bruce Lee · 01-26-2004, 09:05 AM

Hey, Dave!

You're right... we haven't heard which model bigaggie likes. In a PM, I suggested the TL6R-1A as the Lawler model which closely meets the playing characteristics that he has described.

As for which model is more like the Schilke X3, I would say that the TL6L-1 is pretty close, from a "feel", and sound perspective. For the B1, I would lean toward the TL6-1A. The missing ingredient is the player, and the mouthpiece(s) that he/she uses, comfortably, for the best balance.

As far as the model that more closely relates to Bach, I would assume that you are speaking about the Bach 37. The TL1-1A would fit that description. Despite the fact that it isn't listed on Roy's site doesn't mean that it can't be made, as was mentioned in another thread.

I hope that this helps!

Best always,
Bruce

01-23-2004, 11:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Why Lawler? I am currently looking for a new concert horn. It needs to have a very full warm sound. Currently, I am leaning towards a Schilke, but because I really don't know all that much about Lawler, if someone could, please tell me all the pros and cons. __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

01-24-2004, 02:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lawler Bb Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 213	Roy Lawler makes one of the finest trumpets on the market today. They can be custom made to your liking out of a wide variety of bell and leadpipe options. Roy and Bruce can certainly expand on this more, but I personally have not found a finer playing trumpet than my Lawler. I have played Blackburns and Monettes, and don't find them to be better than my Lawler. The workmanship on my Lawler is amazing and what a sound. Now having said that, my horn has a commercially-oriented sound, so that is where my perspective is from. I can go into more details if need be. Make sure you play many different horns before you buy. For me, Schilkes are too bright and thin sounding for symphonic playing, YMMV. __________________ Eric Sperry

01-24-2004, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Anyone leaning toward Schilke should consider Callet Jazz, Yamaha Z, V-Raptor and Selmer Paris. Those horns are closer to Schilke in response than the typical Lawler (he can custom build to suit your needs, thus that's one big reason to consider him). They're all great horns, so long as you select one to suit your needs. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-24-2004, 05:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
bkmdano New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 32	I've been thinking on how to respond to this thread. Since I owned and played a Schilke B5 for 6 years. I had Roy build a Lawler TL6r-1a after playing one at Bruce's Florida trumpet fest. I personally found the blow of the Lawler similar to my Schilke. Roy confirmed that many Schilke players have turned to Lawler due to the similarity in blow. I found that the Lawler is a little more open and responsive. The response became even better after I had Roy convert it to an sts model. This allows me to use the 6r bell or a 24 bell which blends well with Strads. The slotting on the Lawler is much better than my B5. I don't have the problems above high C as I did before. All this being said, I don't have to work as hard on the Lawler. It is the finest trumpet I have ever played. Everyone has their own opinion and characteristics they are looking for. But I'm very happy and satisfied with my Lawler. __________________ Dan Lawler TL6r-1a(STS)Parke-Bergeron 620/Warburton 7 series 80

01-24-2004, 08:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
knf jazz cat New Friend Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27	I'd say if you want a horn with a very warm sound, definitely look at the Callet Jazz/Symphonique. I have one and I love it, it's a very versatile horn; from lead playing to soloing in a jazz group to classical, the Callet can do it all excellently. __________________ Callet Jazz Monette LT BL Monette STC-1 B4S Courtois 154R flugelhorn Brownie Lives!

01-24-2004, 09:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Sounds to me like you are willing to spend some money and get a great horn. Speak to Bruce Lee about an Eclipse! Check their webpage and read through their bell descriptions.

01-26-2004, 08:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Well, bigaggie hasn't told us which Schilke he likes, but I haven't heard which Lawler compares to a Schilke. I have only played a few, but they all reminded me more of Bachs. I haven't tried the Martin repros, but those certainly shouldn't remind one of a Schilke. So, which Lawler reminds you of a B1 or X3? Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-26-2004, 09:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bruce Lee Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOUSTON, TEXAS Posts: 463	Hey, Dave! You're right... we haven't heard which model bigaggie likes. In a PM, I suggested the TL6R-1A as the Lawler model which closely meets the playing characteristics that he has described. As for which model is more like the Schilke X3, I would say that the TL6L-1 is pretty close, from a "feel", and sound perspective. For the B1, I would lean toward the TL6-1A. The missing ingredient is the player, and the mouthpiece(s) that he/she uses, comfortably, for the best balance. As far as the model that more closely relates to Bach, I would assume that you are speaking about the Bach 37. The TL1-1A would fit that description. Despite the fact that it isn't listed on Roy's site doesn't mean that it can't be made, as was mentioned in another thread. I hope that this helps! Best always, Bruce __________________ brucelee@northernbrass.com ECLIPSE TRUMPETS - AUTHORIZED DEALER The "TEATRO", by Lee/McKinney GR Technologies/Northern Brass Mpc's - Dealer http://www.northernbrass.com (281) 485-1919

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