Yamaha New York Bb

John P · 03-06-2008, 03:09 PM

Has anybody played the Yamaha New York Artist Model Bb? What were your thoughts? I'm looking at getting a new Bb and was wondering what the general consensus is with these horns.

Hopefully they're have a couple to try at NTC next week so I can find out for myself...

loudog · 03-06-2008, 07:21 PM

I personally like the Yamaha Chicago Bb better....I think they sound better, blow a bit nicer, and slot better.

LE

Walter · 03-06-2008, 07:45 PM

I have the NY......absolutely thrilled....great sound ...plays in tune..well built... very quick response........nice open blow...with spot on slots....

I have a good friend who has the Chicago and loves it....I suspect all the Artist models are great...

I was so happy with the NY I didn't even bother try the Chicago which I perceived as more of an orchestral horn......I just knew the NY was for me and it helped to know that people like Sean Jones and Marvin Stamm play this horn.

If you push a lot of air that is not focused you may have some problems but if you lay back a bit you will find that the horn is very efficient...

Let us know how you get on....I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised.

Walter

John P · 03-07-2008, 01:04 AM

So, while both the Chicago and NY are listed on the Yamaha site as "orchestral Bb's," I get the impression that the NY is quite popular as a jazz horn. My interests lying more in the classical/orchestral genre, would the Chicago be a better horn? What are the differences in sound between the two?

Walter · 03-07-2008, 06:22 AM

Hi John

My understanding is that both horns were acheived with the consultation of top orchestral players....

I don't know if the NY is more suited to jazz or not....my impression about the NY came because of the top name jazzers playing it....and that it suits the jazz music that I play. The Chicago sounds like it is a bit too rigid on the slots for me.....and I was concerned about the similarity to a C trumpet sound.

In Chase Sanborn's review he wrote.....

"9335CH (‘Chicago Bb’)
The 9335CH is designed to blow and sound similar to the Chicago C. This makes it easy to switch from one to the other, and allows the Bb to blend with C trumpets in the section. The C trumpet heritage is evident in the bracing, with a second tuning slide brace placed further back towards the mouthpiece. It has an exceptionally long throw on the third valve slide, great for low F’s.
The Chicago has a tenacious grip on each note, slotting with accuracy that is startling. It feels like every note has walls on either side of it. As an example: I played a shake on a high D on the LA trumpet. When I played exactly the same way on the Chicago, the note did not budge! I could get the note to shake on the Chicago, however I had to overcome the horn’s natural tendency to lock in to the pitch. Well-defined slots can reduce kacks and clams and increase accuracy. However, it can also feel as if you are ‘running through a field of tires’. This sensation might be tiring to a player who is used to more lateral flexibility.
The sound produced by the Chicago is rich and full, and the scale is beautifully rendered. Certain ‘problem notes’ on other horns ring true on this one. The high F slots like no other horn I’ve ever played. There is also a very impressive dynamic range-the timbre holds steady from the softest passage to the loudest. Whether you are playing Mahler or Maynard, the sound will not break up.
9335NY (‘New York Bb’)
The 9335NY was designed for Bob Sullivan, a member of the NY Philharmonic and the Cleveland Orchestra. Bob was looking for a horn that incorporated the intonation, control and consistency of his Yamaha trumpets with some of the tonal characteristics of his Bachs. The NY is the most similar in design to Bach, with two tuning slide braces spaced in a typical configuration. It has a very smooth response; the notes flow out of the bell, especially at soft to medium volumes. It requires a fair bit of effort to produce burn in the high register, so I’m not sure I’d want to play lead on the NY. I had the opportunity to play this horn on a recording session that required a classical sound and approach. Listening to the playback, the other players in the section commented on the rich sound of the NY.
The New York Bb has proven to be popular with jazz players as well as classical players. Marvin Stamm and Sean Jones both love this horn. It has a well-balanced sound that works in a variety of settings. For many players, especially die-hard Bach fans, the New York Bb may be the instrument you have been searching for all your life."

Hope this helps

Walter

Dave Mickley · 03-07-2008, 06:35 AM

you need to try both horns, and many more. never buy a horn because of a big name player. we all play different. my wife and I both play, she is the better player and in all the years we have never agreed on a mouthpiece and only ever agreed on one horn [ the Yamaha Mike Vax, they had two left and they did NOT play the same and she got first choice so we only bought one]. Just some advice from an old geezer who is just an average player. Dave

Walter · 03-07-2008, 07:37 AM

Hi Dave

Your advise is good...play as many horn as you can and find the one that suits you best. Then again my wife will try on 15 dresses and not come home with any....good for the bank balance but frustrating for her.....too much choice.........you have got me thinking now.....perhaps I should have tried a Chicago as well.........?? Then again I did try a very good Bach 43 RL and the NY was better..............for me ...................perhaps I'll try the Vizzutti model when it comes in.

Many years ago I tried a Yamaha trumpet...it didn't really suit me.....but more importantly I had a rather negative view of Yamaha as a brand....it just did not seem "cool".....I know...I know..... When I tried my NY I was amazed at how well it played and suited me.... knowing that respected players were using it as a jazz horn helped me get over my prejudice. Chase Sanborn is down to earth and I trust his judgement.....His review was really helpful....It shouldn't matter but try telling that to all those who chase after Martin Committees because of players like Chris Botti and Miles.

Walter

John P · 03-17-2008, 11:42 AM

I just got back from the National Trumpet Competition in Fairfax, VA yesterday. I tried a bunch of horns, including three artist models (Chicago, NY, and Vizzutti). The artist models all played great but the one that jumped out at me instantly was the Chicago Bb, which I ended up buying.

The slots on the Chicago are really solid, but not so much that it makes it difficult to move around the horn. Quite the opposite, in fact. I found that when I backed off a bit and used a lighter touch, it's really an agile horn. The sound is great, I actually prefer it to my Bach. The blow feels pretty open to me, and I can't break this thing! It just keeps getting louder the more air I put into it. It's an orchestral horn by design, but when I stuck my Warburton 6S in it the upper register really sang. The high G's are absolutely huge (Don't worry, I waited until I was out of the exhibit room to see how loud I could play 'em. Nobody likes "that guy.") It's a great lead horn, at least for my purposes. So far, I'm really loving the Chicago. It was absolutely worth the price tag.

There were things I liked about the NY and Vizzutti as well. The NY had a somewhat mellower tone and blew similar to my Bach Bb. It would make a great chamber/quintet horn, I think. The Vizzutti was INCREDIBLY flexible. The only other horn I tried that rivaled its agility was the TrumpeTech Bb.

All three of these horns had impeccable intonation and a very even scale, bottom to top. I'd be happy with any of them, but the Chicago is really something special. I feel lucky that I got to it first; there were several people in line behind me that wanted to buy it!

JustinSmith · 03-17-2008, 12:20 PM

i played all three Yamaha Artist models, NY, Chicago, Vizutti. I really like all three trumpets. I have played a handful of each over the last year. all of them were excellent trumpets, that were in tune with themselves. The NY was the horn for me.

I recently bought the NY model. The horn has the best response I have ever played. The horn speaks like a light weight trumpet, very fast, while feeling and sounding more like a standard weight Bach trumpet.

I think Chase Sanborn's comment fits me perfectly, "It has a well-balanced sound that works in a variety of settings. For many players, especially die-hard Bach fans, the New York Bb may be the instrument you have been searching for all your life."

I wasn't looking for a new Bb trumpet, my Bach 37G plays great. This one kind of found me.

jazz9 · 03-17-2008, 04:23 PM

what kind of a price tag are you looking at for a horn like that?

03-06-2008, 03:09 PM	#1
John P Piano User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 326	Yamaha New York Bb Has anybody played the Yamaha New York Artist Model Bb? What were your thoughts? I'm looking at getting a new Bb and was wondering what the general consensus is with these horns. Hopefully they're have a couple to try at NTC next week so I can find out for myself... __________________ JP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAF67ua91Dk www.myspace.com/jmpowlison

03-06-2008, 07:21 PM	#2
loudog Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grand Island, NE Posts: 241	Re: Yamaha New York Bb I personally like the Yamaha Chicago Bb better....I think they sound better, blow a bit nicer, and slot better. LE __________________ Louie Eckhardt, MM Freelance Trumpeter http://www.LouieEckhardt.com Cathedral Brass Quintet http://www.CathedralBrass5tet.com

03-06-2008, 07:45 PM	#3
Walter Piano User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 261	Re: Yamaha New York Bb I have the NY......absolutely thrilled....great sound ...plays in tune..well built... very quick response........nice open blow...with spot on slots.... I have a good friend who has the Chicago and loves it....I suspect all the Artist models are great... I was so happy with the NY I didn't even bother try the Chicago which I perceived as more of an orchestral horn......I just knew the NY was for me and it helped to know that people like Sean Jones and Marvin Stamm play this horn. If you push a lot of air that is not focused you may have some problems but if you lay back a bit you will find that the horn is very efficient... Let us know how you get on....I am sure you will be pleasantly surprised. Walter

03-07-2008, 01:04 AM	#4
John P Piano User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 326	Re: Yamaha New York Bb So, while both the Chicago and NY are listed on the Yamaha site as "orchestral Bb's," I get the impression that the NY is quite popular as a jazz horn. My interests lying more in the classical/orchestral genre, would the Chicago be a better horn? What are the differences in sound between the two? __________________ JP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAF67ua91Dk www.myspace.com/jmpowlison

03-07-2008, 06:22 AM	#5
Walter Piano User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 261	Re: Yamaha New York Bb Hi John My understanding is that both horns were acheived with the consultation of top orchestral players.... I don't know if the NY is more suited to jazz or not....my impression about the NY came because of the top name jazzers playing it....and that it suits the jazz music that I play. The Chicago sounds like it is a bit too rigid on the slots for me.....and I was concerned about the similarity to a C trumpet sound. In Chase Sanborn's review he wrote..... "9335CH (‘Chicago Bb’) The 9335CH is designed to blow and sound similar to the Chicago C. This makes it easy to switch from one to the other, and allows the Bb to blend with C trumpets in the section. The C trumpet heritage is evident in the bracing, with a second tuning slide brace placed further back towards the mouthpiece. It has an exceptionally long throw on the third valve slide, great for low F’s. The Chicago has a tenacious grip on each note, slotting with accuracy that is startling. It feels like every note has walls on either side of it. As an example: I played a shake on a high D on the LA trumpet. When I played exactly the same way on the Chicago, the note did not budge! I could get the note to shake on the Chicago, however I had to overcome the horn’s natural tendency to lock in to the pitch. Well-defined slots can reduce kacks and clams and increase accuracy. However, it can also feel as if you are ‘running through a field of tires’. This sensation might be tiring to a player who is used to more lateral flexibility. The sound produced by the Chicago is rich and full, and the scale is beautifully rendered. Certain ‘problem notes’ on other horns ring true on this one. The high F slots like no other horn I’ve ever played. There is also a very impressive dynamic range-the timbre holds steady from the softest passage to the loudest. Whether you are playing Mahler or Maynard, the sound will not break up. 9335NY (‘New York Bb’) The 9335NY was designed for Bob Sullivan, a member of the NY Philharmonic and the Cleveland Orchestra. Bob was looking for a horn that incorporated the intonation, control and consistency of his Yamaha trumpets with some of the tonal characteristics of his Bachs. The NY is the most similar in design to Bach, with two tuning slide braces spaced in a typical configuration. It has a very smooth response; the notes flow out of the bell, especially at soft to medium volumes. It requires a fair bit of effort to produce burn in the high register, so I’m not sure I’d want to play lead on the NY. I had the opportunity to play this horn on a recording session that required a classical sound and approach. Listening to the playback, the other players in the section commented on the rich sound of the NY. The New York Bb has proven to be popular with jazz players as well as classical players. Marvin Stamm and Sean Jones both love this horn. It has a well-balanced sound that works in a variety of settings. For many players, especially die-hard Bach fans, the New York Bb may be the instrument you have been searching for all your life." Hope this helps Walter Last edited by Walter; 03-07-2008 at 06:26 AM.

03-07-2008, 06:35 AM	#6
Dave Mickley Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 649	Re: Yamaha New York Bb you need to try both horns, and many more. never buy a horn because of a big name player. we all play different. my wife and I both play, she is the better player and in all the years we have never agreed on a mouthpiece and only ever agreed on one horn [ the Yamaha Mike Vax, they had two left and they did NOT play the same and she got first choice so we only bought one]. Just some advice from an old geezer who is just an average player. Dave __________________ formerly known as old geezer Dave C7 Yam. 231 Fl. 15383 King Master Cornet 295628 Weril Cornet Lo 7535

03-07-2008, 07:37 AM	#7
Walter Piano User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 261	Re: Yamaha New York Bb Hi Dave Your advise is good...play as many horn as you can and find the one that suits you best. Then again my wife will try on 15 dresses and not come home with any....good for the bank balance but frustrating for her.....too much choice.........you have got me thinking now.....perhaps I should have tried a Chicago as well.........?? Then again I did try a very good Bach 43 RL and the NY was better..............for me ...................perhaps I'll try the Vizzutti model when it comes in. Many years ago I tried a Yamaha trumpet...it didn't really suit me.....but more importantly I had a rather negative view of Yamaha as a brand....it just did not seem "cool".....I know...I know..... When I tried my NY I was amazed at how well it played and suited me.... knowing that respected players were using it as a jazz horn helped me get over my prejudice. Chase Sanborn is down to earth and I trust his judgement.....His review was really helpful....It shouldn't matter but try telling that to all those who chase after Martin Committees because of players like Chris Botti and Miles. Walter

03-17-2008, 11:42 AM	#8
John P Piano User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 326	Re: Yamaha New York Bb I just got back from the National Trumpet Competition in Fairfax, VA yesterday. I tried a bunch of horns, including three artist models (Chicago, NY, and Vizzutti). The artist models all played great but the one that jumped out at me instantly was the Chicago Bb, which I ended up buying. The slots on the Chicago are really solid, but not so much that it makes it difficult to move around the horn. Quite the opposite, in fact. I found that when I backed off a bit and used a lighter touch, it's really an agile horn. The sound is great, I actually prefer it to my Bach. The blow feels pretty open to me, and I can't break this thing! It just keeps getting louder the more air I put into it. It's an orchestral horn by design, but when I stuck my Warburton 6S in it the upper register really sang. The high G's are absolutely huge (Don't worry, I waited until I was out of the exhibit room to see how loud I could play 'em. Nobody likes "that guy.") It's a great lead horn, at least for my purposes. So far, I'm really loving the Chicago. It was absolutely worth the price tag. There were things I liked about the NY and Vizzutti as well. The NY had a somewhat mellower tone and blew similar to my Bach Bb. It would make a great chamber/quintet horn, I think. The Vizzutti was INCREDIBLY flexible. The only other horn I tried that rivaled its agility was the TrumpeTech Bb. All three of these horns had impeccable intonation and a very even scale, bottom to top. I'd be happy with any of them, but the Chicago is really something special. I feel lucky that I got to it first; there were several people in line behind me that wanted to buy it! __________________ JP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAF67ua91Dk www.myspace.com/jmpowlison

03-17-2008, 12:20 PM	#9
JustinSmith Piano User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC, in Europe for summer Posts: 295	Re: Yamaha New York Bb i played all three Yamaha Artist models, NY, Chicago, Vizutti. I really like all three trumpets. I have played a handful of each over the last year. all of them were excellent trumpets, that were in tune with themselves. The NY was the horn for me. I recently bought the NY model. The horn has the best response I have ever played. The horn speaks like a light weight trumpet, very fast, while feeling and sounding more like a standard weight Bach trumpet. I think Chase Sanborn's comment fits me perfectly, "It has a well-balanced sound that works in a variety of settings. For many players, especially die-hard Bach fans, the New York Bb may be the instrument you have been searching for all your life." I wasn't looking for a new Bb trumpet, my Bach 37G plays great. This one kind of found me. __________________ Justin J. Smith When people believe in boundaries, they become part of them.......Don Cherry

03-17-2008, 04:23 PM	#10
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 333	Re: Yamaha New York Bb what kind of a price tag are you looking at for a horn like that? __________________ Ty Sheets Gardner-Webb University sheetstrumpet@gmail.com “Always look ahead, but never look back.” “Do not fear mistakes. There are none.”

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