1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece

missmybaby · 10-05-2009, 10:14 PM

I thought about posting this in the equipment area, but the vintage nuts would probably be all over this a lot faster here.

I picked up a Buescher Model 9 circa 1922 and don't have a period mouthpiece for it. It sounds nice with my 5c, but as we all know the shank needs to be short to allow this old beast to play properly.
I know there's some guy running around here who is almost as zealous about his Bueschers as a Mac user is about their computers... So, short of ordering a custom mpc, what are some (not to outrageously expensive) solutions to putting the horn back in service? I read somewhere the Denis Wick mpcs can work and something about "heritage" mpcs.
The horn is in perfect working order, but that 5c just isn't working out.
I actually prefer my Giardinelli 5s on my Getzen, but am open to a deeper mpc for this old horn if I must. Thanks!

VetPsychWars · 10-06-2009, 10:16 AM

I'm not that zealous! Of course, I am also a Mac owner....

Buy a Kelly 5C or 7C (they run a little big) and use that. The shank is flexible enough that it'll fit pretty well.

You could also consider having that horn reamed out a little to fit a modern mouthpiece. The mouthpipe ends at the receiver ring, so there's no gap like on modern horns. Just make sure you send it to someone who knows what he's doing.

Also be aware that the tone centers in your old Buescher are NOT in the same place as they are on your Getzen, as I learned by experience trying to play a Getzen and it totally sounded like crap.

You'll have to play the Buescher a while to get used to where it wants you to play.

But do get the Kelly, it will make a (positive) difference.

Tom

Ursa · 10-06-2009, 11:34 PM

Blessing makes a copy of the Denis Wick 4B for about 20 bucks at wwbw.com. It's short-shank, and nicely made. I have one and recommend it.

missmybaby · 10-07-2009, 02:14 AM

Thanks for the input. That'll get me started. The local Sam Ash had nothing even close to fitting better. Time to shop some mouthpieces online.

I did notice how odd the Buescher is to play, VPW, but the tone is so smooth on it. Can't wait to see how it is with a more compatible mpc.

VetPsychWars · 10-07-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ursa

Blessing makes a copy of the Denis Wick 4B for about 20 bucks at wwbw.com. It's short-shank, and nicely made. I have one and recommend it.

Won't work so well in a trumpet! (That's what the model 9 is.)

The issue here, for those who've never seen it before, is that the mouthpieces that came with this horn were about a quarter inch shorter than you're used to and the taper was slightly different. I have a Legionnaire bugle from Buescher in this same time period and I had to search around until I found an early enough Buescher trumpet mouthpiece to fit it.

The reason I suggest the Kelly is the Lexan shank is more forgiving than brass and the bigger throat and straight backbore seem to work better with these smaller-bore trumpets.

Tom

DCB · 10-07-2009, 01:19 PM

Mark Curry....
Curry Precision Mouthpieces | Cornet Mouthpieces

He can take car of you.

Peace

VetPsychWars · 10-07-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCB

Mark Curry....
Curry Precision Mouthpieces | Cornet Mouthpieces

He can take car of you.

Peace

Once again, the Buescher Model 9 is a trumpet, not a cornet. It takes a mouthpiece with a non-standard (for today) diameter, taper, and length.

Tom

DCB · 10-07-2009, 03:00 PM

Ok.. sorry. Curry can take care of that as well.
Also Warburton has backbores for none standard sizes.

Peace

Ursa · 10-07-2009, 05:03 PM

Oops...whenever I hear of shank issues I assume it's a cornet. My bad.

I've had a custom-shank mouthpiece made by Schilke and would recommend them to anyone, so that's another option...but having a new receiver put on the horn, or getting the existing one reamed, would cost less than even one custom 'piece and save headaches down the road. I say get the horn modded.

VetPsychWars · 10-07-2009, 07:07 PM

Thought you guys might enjoy seeing the difference. On the left is a Buescher 30-7 and on the right is a Bach 7C.

Tom

10-05-2009, 10:14 PM	#1
missmybaby New Friend Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 40	1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece I thought about posting this in the equipment area, but the vintage nuts would probably be all over this a lot faster here. I picked up a Buescher Model 9 circa 1922 and don't have a period mouthpiece for it. It sounds nice with my 5c, but as we all know the shank needs to be short to allow this old beast to play properly. I know there's some guy running around here who is almost as zealous about his Bueschers as a Mac user is about their computers... So, short of ordering a custom mpc, what are some (not to outrageously expensive) solutions to putting the horn back in service? I read somewhere the Denis Wick mpcs can work and something about "heritage" mpcs. The horn is in perfect working order, but that 5c just isn't working out. I actually prefer my Giardinelli 5s on my Getzen, but am open to a deeper mpc for this old horn if I must. Thanks!

10-06-2009, 10:16 AM	#2
VetPsychWars Piano User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Greenfield WI Posts: 263	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece I'm not that zealous! Of course, I am also a Mac owner.... Buy a Kelly 5C or 7C (they run a little big) and use that. The shank is flexible enough that it'll fit pretty well. You could also consider having that horn reamed out a little to fit a modern mouthpiece. The mouthpipe ends at the receiver ring, so there's no gap like on modern horns. Just make sure you send it to someone who knows what he's doing. Also be aware that the tone centers in your old Buescher are NOT in the same place as they are on your Getzen, as I learned by experience trying to play a Getzen and it totally sounded like crap. You'll have to play the Buescher a while to get used to where it wants you to play. But do get the Kelly, it will make a (positive) difference. Tom

10-06-2009, 11:34 PM	#3
Ursa Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 184	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Blessing makes a copy of the Denis Wick 4B for about 20 bucks at wwbw.com. It's short-shank, and nicely made. I have one and recommend it. __________________ Ursa's collection of fine brasswinds... Besson BE709 Trumpet Conn 20B Trumpet - small bore E. K. Blessing XL-CR Short Cornet Frank Holton Super Collegiate Trumpet, Copper/Nickel bell Frank Holton Super Collegiate Cornet, Rose Brass/Nickel bell Frank Holton Collegiate Cornet Yamaha YEP-321S Euphonium Frank Holton 6/4 EEb Tuba

10-07-2009, 02:14 AM	#4
missmybaby New Friend Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 40	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Thanks for the input. That'll get me started. The local Sam Ash had nothing even close to fitting better. Time to shop some mouthpieces online. I did notice how odd the Buescher is to play, VPW, but the tone is so smooth on it. Can't wait to see how it is with a more compatible mpc.

10-07-2009, 01:19 PM	#6
DCB Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: N. Florida Posts: 175	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Mark Curry.... Curry Precision Mouthpieces \| Cornet Mouthpieces He can take car of you. Peace __________________ dcb <>< John 14:6 Kanstul/ Najoom French Besson Holton Collegiate Conn 80A Amati flugelhorn

10-07-2009, 03:00 PM	#8
DCB Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: N. Florida Posts: 175	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Ok.. sorry. Curry can take care of that as well. Also Warburton has backbores for none standard sizes. Peace __________________ dcb <>< John 14:6 Kanstul/ Najoom French Besson Holton Collegiate Conn 80A Amati flugelhorn

10-07-2009, 05:03 PM	#9
Ursa Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 184	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Oops...whenever I hear of shank issues I assume it's a cornet. My bad. I've had a custom-shank mouthpiece made by Schilke and would recommend them to anyone, so that's another option...but having a new receiver put on the horn, or getting the existing one reamed, would cost less than even one custom 'piece and save headaches down the road. I say get the horn modded. __________________ Ursa's collection of fine brasswinds... Besson BE709 Trumpet Conn 20B Trumpet - small bore E. K. Blessing XL-CR Short Cornet Frank Holton Super Collegiate Trumpet, Copper/Nickel bell Frank Holton Super Collegiate Cornet, Rose Brass/Nickel bell Frank Holton Collegiate Cornet Yamaha YEP-321S Euphonium Frank Holton 6/4 EEb Tuba

10-07-2009, 07:07 PM	#10
VetPsychWars Piano User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Greenfield WI Posts: 263	Re: 1922 Buescher Model 9 Mouthpiece Thought you guys might enjoy seeing the difference. On the left is a Buescher 30-7 and on the right is a Bach 7C. Tom

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