Carnauba Wax??

clangley50 · 10-17-2009, 09:50 PM

I read somewhere that if you strip down to raw brass,using wax on it is one way to dress it??Is that just crazy enough to work? I'm getting ready to start my first project,stripping,that is. Any help on either subject is appreciated.

MFfan · 10-17-2009, 10:06 PM

There are many threads archived here that you can look up on various methods of lacquer stripping. The waxing is primarily to protect the raw brass from tarnishing thru contact with the air.

s.coomer · 10-17-2009, 10:50 PM

I have also heard of some guys who use pledge on raw brass.

forrest · 10-17-2009, 11:50 PM

About the wax (I work for a high end car wax manufacturer) - There are carnauba based waxes with cleaners, and waxes without.

You want without, if that's what you plan on using.

There are paste waxes, and there are liquids. You want paste.

In an ideal world, if this is what you're going to do (and personally, I think it's a poor idea), you would want a product like Meguiar's Mirror Glaze #26 Yellow Paste Wax (part number M2611) or Mothers 05550 California Gold Pure Carnauba Paste Wax.

There are better ways to protect a raw brass finish than smearing carnauba that's softened with oils and solvents on it. Of course, it begs the question; If you want shiny, why not clear lacquer?

ComeBackKid · 10-18-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by forrest

...There are carnauba based waxes with cleaners, and waxes without. You want without...

Based on my experience with raw brass, I agree if the brass has been recently polished. However, if there is (light) tarnish, the wax with cleaner will actually remove the tarnish just as a polishing compound will. It will also leave the wax layer but in my experience (with Meguiar's) the wax layer is not particularly thick and does not last a long time with use of the instrument.

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In an ideal world, if this is what you're going to do (and personally, I think it's a poor idea)... There are better ways to protect a raw brass finish than smearing carnauba that's softened with oils and solvents on it. Of course, it begs the question; If you want shiny, why not clear lacquer?

My take on this part is that wax is an easy solution that anyone can do quickly. It may not last a long time but can be reapplied as needed - although that does certainly imply high maintenance but then trumpets need other maintenance so it is simple to do this during the monthly "bath". As far as "why not lacquer"? In my opinion, it is because lacquer is very difficult to apply correctly. It takes a lot of prep and a real fine touch to apply without runs or missed spots. Also, even the best home-application is a half-way job at best. It is not done in a clean environment so dust is inevitable and it is not baked on so the durability is not great. I have tried it a couple of times on a "beater" that I use for practice and have yet to obtain a satisfactory result. I have read here that brush-on Urethane works better but I have not tried it. Then, there is also the issue that some think the application of lacquer changes the tone of the trumpet. That is a hotly debated topic but some steer away just out of caution.

SteveRicks · 10-18-2009, 10:19 AM

WHen I bought my vehicle, it came with Toyota bug remover, cleaner, and sealant. I assume the latter is one of the new polymer "waxes." Anyway, I have used it on my raw brass Olds Super and it has worked fine. Also have used Nu-Finish. For those that mention true waxes above, do you think it would be more effective using them, or one of the new polymers like I have tried?
Steve

Indian · 10-18-2009, 11:03 AM

Waxes are pretty inert while polymers are reactive thus waxes should last longer. That said both are slippery and I wonder if having a slippery horn with dents is preferable to horn thyat is not slippery without dents. Just something to think about. I prefer my raw brass natural, just my opinion though.

10-17-2009, 09:50 PM	#1
clangley50 New Friend Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: east texas Posts: 1	Carnauba Wax?? I read somewhere that if you strip down to raw brass,using wax on it is one way to dress it??Is that just crazy enough to work? I'm getting ready to start my first project,stripping,that is. Any help on either subject is appreciated.

10-17-2009, 10:50 PM	#3
s.coomer Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Indianapolis, In Posts: 919	Re: Carnauba Wax?? I have also heard of some guys who use pledge on raw brass.

10-17-2009, 11:50 PM	#4
forrest Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St Louis MO Posts: 78	Re: Carnauba Wax?? About the wax (I work for a high end car wax manufacturer) - There are carnauba based waxes with cleaners, and waxes without. You want without, if that's what you plan on using. There are paste waxes, and there are liquids. You want paste. In an ideal world, if this is what you're going to do (and personally, I think it's a poor idea), you would want a product like Meguiar's Mirror Glaze #26 Yellow Paste Wax (part number M2611) or Mothers 05550 California Gold Pure Carnauba Paste Wax. There are better ways to protect a raw brass finish than smearing carnauba that's softened with oils and solvents on it. Of course, it begs the question; If you want shiny, why not clear lacquer?

10-18-2009, 10:19 AM	#6
SteveRicks Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 91	Re: Carnauba Wax?? WHen I bought my vehicle, it came with Toyota bug remover, cleaner, and sealant. I assume the latter is one of the new polymer "waxes." Anyway, I have used it on my raw brass Olds Super and it has worked fine. Also have used Nu-Finish. For those that mention true waxes above, do you think it would be more effective using them, or one of the new polymers like I have tried? Steve

10-18-2009, 11:03 AM	#7
Indian Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 242	Re: Carnauba Wax?? Waxes are pretty inert while polymers are reactive thus waxes should last longer. That said both are slippery and I wonder if having a slippery horn with dents is preferable to horn thyat is not slippery without dents. Just something to think about. I prefer my raw brass natural, just my opinion though. __________________ Rob, King Liberty SilverTone (3) King Liberty (7) Super 20 (2) Conn Vocabell 40A - 40B - 80A (6) - 81A (1) - 38A Victor (2) - 22B - 16B, 12B Coprion bell Getzen Tone Balanced Super Deluxe Holton French LeBlanc (1) - Al Hirt 550 Olds Studio (1) - Special (1)

10-17-2009, 10:06 PM	#2
MFfan Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 1,690	Re: Carnauba Wax?? There are many threads archived here that you can look up on various methods of lacquer stripping. The waxing is primarily to protect the raw brass from tarnishing thru contact with the air. __________________ Dave Rafferty Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?) Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan) Besson 609 Trumpet 1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet 1948 Besson cornet 1946 King Master Cornet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

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