screamingmorris

Dale Proctor wrote:

Dale Proctor posted that in another site today at
Forum: trumpetherald.com

I like the subject so much that I am going to start a thread here at Trumpet Master with the quote of his post.

Then the poster OldsMike posted a response that sounds identical to what I have said elsewhere:
"Me too. I started out by trying to get a dark sound on my trumpet - like a cornet. So duh, why not just get a cornet?"

Then pfrank responded with something else that I have pointed out about cornets, about how the vintage ones sell for much less than the vintage trumpets of identical model:
"Yeah, they are fascinating and reasonably priced."

You can get a professional-level trumpet to sound like a professional-level trumpet, which is great.

But you can get a professional-quality cornet to sound anywhere from near-flugelhorn to near-trumpet just by changing the mouthpiece.
With a deep mouthpiece the cornet can be so mellow and beautiful on ballads like "Danny Boy" that it brings tears to your eyes.
Then change to a shallow mouthpiece on it and impress everyone with a powerful High F on a jazz number.

Most modern trumpets sound vary similar to each other because the main way they differ is in bore size, which tends to be in the narrow range of .459-.468.

But vintage cornets have a much wider range of bore sizes, many up to .484, some with a bore size of only .438.
And the length of vintage cornets varies from short ones that are 7"-13" long to ones that are 17" long to ones that are 21" long.
So that you can own several cornets that all sound dramtically different from each other, each with its own personality / character.

And great vintage cornets typically sell for half of what great vintage trumpets sell for, which is great for people like myself who are on a limited budget.

I still very much want to have a trumpet for specific types of music, such as high register playing.
But I love cornet more than trumpet.
Because when I play trumpet I am exhibiting my testosterone and having fun,
but when I play cornet I am playing soul music from the heart.

- sentimental old fool Morris

Dale Proctor

How about one that's 26-1/2" long?



BTW, Morris, thanks for the props.

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Toobz

I too have the sickness. 7 Cornets and counting . Someone help me !

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Conn 10B New Era trumpet
Martin Committee cornet
And lots of other old and smelly stuff !

lmf

Well, Morris,

We could all sit around collecting dirt, so collecting cornets seems to be far more interesting and worthy.

I only have two cornets, but would like another one such as a Getzen 3810 Custom C before I go home to Glory. Of course, I want a new hybrid car, too.

I enjoy playing my Conn Constellation 38A long cornet with Coprion Bell in excellent condition which plays great. I paid $350 (used) in a music store in Davenport, Iowa (home of Bix Beiderbecke) in 1993. Most people were on a trumpet craze and the salesperson said it was setting on the shelf a long time before I came along. He had no other cornets in stock at the time (new or used). I was blessed! I had no idea at the time that it was the cornet that it is.

I also own a Blessing Artist 141 short cornet with shepherd's crook. It may not be a "top-of-the-line" instrument, but it plays fine for me and it was affordable. I didn't have to mortgage the house to buy it. I enjoy playing it and it has a nice cornet sound with Denis Wick 3, 4, and 4b mouthpieces.

I play as a hobby and for my own enjoyment. I'm retired and have many other interests beyond brass such as guitar and vocal music.
I spend far more time on vocal music.

Best wishes to you, Morris!

Lloyd

chris_tpt

I only have one cornet, but I am madly in love with this instrument. It's a Bach Strad model 25 large bore made in 1971. I got it off ebay a couple of years ago and it is mint condition. It seems it hadn't been played very much at all as there is no lacquer wear at all. What a great instrument. And I found a very good mouthpiece for it - a Laskey piece that helps produce a mellow, dark sound. I much prefer this instrument for small jazz group playing than either of my trumpets or my flugel.

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I want one of these!



They are only cornets, though, and that is the real the reason that vintage cornets are cheaper than vintage trumpets. Cornets are the violas of the brass world, after all.

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Dale Proctor

Actually, cornets are the better-sounding violins of the brass world. The trumpet players just haven't figured it out yet.

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Dr. Zink

OUCH!!!

Dr.Z

oldlou

But you can get a professional-quality cornet to sound anywhere from near-flugelhorn to near-trumpet just by changing the mouthpiece.
With a deep mouthpiece the cornet can be so mellow and beautiful on ballads like "Danny Boy" that it brings tears to your eyes.
Then change to a shallow mouthpiece on it and impress everyone with a powerful High F on a jazz number.


As the prime tooter in a local community concert band I have inherited a full page solo on Danny Boy,( Londonderry Aire ). My problem is that our conductor wants me to play it on one of my many cornets and, with a deep vee cup mouthpiece. This, I can do, but it goes up to a Bb above the scale and is written to be slurred up to that note and back down with a short sojurn at A, G F#, F, and G. I can play it if I can toungue all of those high notes, but, at age 72 my chops are just not what they once were. I have been working on this number for the last two weeks and driving my wife out of her skull by forcing her to have to listen to that cracked Bb over and over. Why can't ones muscles respond as well as they once did? I guess that my whole body is rebelling at the testing I put it to. Nothing seems to work as well as it once did. I DO mean 'N O T H I N G'!


OLDLOU>>

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Dale Proctor

I think I'd just sneak in a slightly less-deep mouthpiece that you have confidence in and use it. Better a slightly brighter tone than a lot of extra stress and a cracked note.

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