40cal

I have not owned a cornet since my student model king that I got in 5th grade.

I'm looking for a professional model Bb so I can play cornet solos on a cornet. I'd like to say money is no object, but since that isn't true, I'm looking to spend no more than 2K or so, give or take.

Thanks in advance.

PS I would be willing to trade guns for trumpets

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camelbrass

I think that the first choice you need to make is how far down the sound spectrum you wan't to go. At the trumpet end you have a long model cornet with what is essentially a shorter version of a trumpet mouthpiece and at the mellow end is a short wrap (shepherd's crook) cornet with a deep v cornet mouthpiece. The first alternative cuts through with a brighter sound (like a trumpet) and the second blends particularly with woodwinds and the other brass but of course in expert hands projects as well as a trumpet (though has a very different ideal sound).

Regards,


Trevor

tom turner

Welcome aboard!

Guns and Trumpets huh?

It is amazing how many trumpeters are also gun enthusiasts! I know a fine trumpeter in SC who is a South Carolina state trooper by day. His personal business card reads "Guns and Trumpets!" He's a jovial, big fella and loves his big frame Glock Model 20 in his huge hands . . . and shoots a full house 10mm ammo in it.

You can generally tell what a person would like in a cornet too . . . by what he prefers to shoot!!!

What are your favorite handguns?

I promise I'm not trying to hijack this thread . . . I'll get back tomorrow once I get some sleep with some recommendations . . . but the type you shoot may help me recommend a cornet you'd like too!!!

Me? I'm a handgun competitor who prefers his wheelguns vs. his 1911s. Thus the only .40S&W that I own is the Performance Center Smith & Wesson model 646 "L frame" revolver, packing 6 rounds in moon clips! It is one of only 400 made.

I'm really a big bore kinda guy . . . but anything starting with a number .4 is ok by me!

Again, welcome aboard!

Tom Turner
Vintage Trumpets/Cornets Forum moderator . . . and handgun enthusiast

Here's my only .40 "Short & Wimpy," with a bunch of moon clips already loaded with FMJ for the next tactical match:

JJMDestino

Nothing like guns and trumpets. I am a Glock/1911 fan my self.

Justin

40cal

I am a 1911 kind of guy. I have 2 Nighthawk Customs, and a springfield professional. I ended up ditching my wilsons<-----yeah, I know, I ditched a monette I had several yrs ago too, so oh well.

I do like glocks and carry one at work, a G22. I own several, including a 22, 23, 17C, and 2 27's.

I posted this pic on the TH of my newest horn with some other toys. I recently got in to custom knives too.




Here is another photo of some toys!



45's and an M4ergery



Some of my glocks

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“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my child may have peace.”

Thomas Paine 1737-1809

“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd

40cal

Well, back to the subject at hand....

What is most consistent with the cornets used by clark and other greats of their era?


The getzens I tried were all short (i think) and real mellow.

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Thomas Paine 1737-1809

“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd

camelbrass

I'm sure that Tom will add, refute or amend some of my reply with good reason. I'm not an expert on the early American cornetists.

I think that most started out on shepherd's crook style cornets (as in the European tradition) but with the development of trumpets and their growing popularity in the US the American cornet became a hybrid. (Clarke thought the trumpet was a fad) If I remember rightly the photographs I've seen of Clarke he is holding and American style long cornet (Holton???). One thing that is consistent amongst both the American cornetists and their European counterparts of the era is the general choice of mouthpiece. If you've ever played a turn of the century cornet with its original mouthpiece you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Deep, wonderful sounding but a narrow rim that very few modern trumpet players would call comfortable. The result was, of course, a great sound and terrific flexibilty but a very disciplined approach to developing endurance. Consequently, either short or long model, I think that real key to replicating their sound is in choosing the appropriate mouthpiece.

I come from a brass banding background where the short model is the benchmark so long cornets are really out of my experience. there are some excellent cornets for $2,000...Kanstul Signatures (I also like the cheaper custom class for a solo/section instrument), Yamaha has the new Xeno just out and that's making waves in the brass banding world, Bach Strad 184 model has it's advocates as well, if you can, find a Lawler (haven't played one but it's on the list). A bit more money brings great cornets like the Wild Thing and the new Eclipse into focus.

Hope this helps.


Regards,


Trevor

40cal

Trevor,

Thanks for the info.

I am a cornet-challenged kind of guy, so any info is helpful.

What are the lawlers and eclipses running?

I actually sent an email to an eclipse dealer but have not heard back from him yet

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“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my child may have peace.”

Thomas Paine 1737-1809

“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd

Tootsall

40cal... although the dealers want you to work with them you can get a pretty fair idea of the prices by going to the Eclipse website: http://www.eclipsetrumpets.com . The last time I looked Leigh is asking £2,000 for his trumpets and flugels and add £300 for gold plate. He is listing the cornets at £1,850. Those prices INCLUDE VAT at 17.5% but deleting that can probably be balanced off by about the same amount "back in" for shipping, import duty to the US (whatever that might be), state and federal taxes (whatever those might be).

Cheers.

camelbrass

Just off Roy Lawlers web site...his cornets start at $2100. When I said that the Eclipse and Wild Thing were a bit more money what I actually meant was a 'lot' more money.

However, (somebody's going to shoot me down for saying this) but if you can afford it get the one you want. My wife will forgive me for buying exactly the horn I want...she can't understand me buying something and wanting to change it within a year, and I reckon she's right. That doesn't necessarily mean automatically buying the the most expensive one, but if the one you want just happens to be the most expensive go with it.

Just my take on it.

Regards,


Trevor