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Old 02-28-2008, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cornet to Trumpet transition

1st time poster here. Just found this forum the other day and I love it!

So here is my question I am a long time cornet player and mostly play cornet 90% of the time. When I switch to my trumpet I find it difficult to play. I can't figure out what I need to do to get the seem control and range while playing the trumpet.

Any suggestion ... I am playing echo Taps in April and they want us all to play trumpets. Or do I just need to spend more practice time with my trumpet?

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Old 02-28-2008, 11:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

Are you playing a similar mouthpiece (e.g. - 3C trumpet and 3C cornet)?

What else is different? While there are small differences between the 2, it shouldn't be a major change. My cornet is large bore, and my trumpet medium large, so the cornet blows much bigger, but other than that, what works on one works on the other.
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Re: Cornet to Trumpet transition

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1st time poster here. Just found this forum the other day and I love it!

So here is my question I am a long time cornet player and mostly play cornet 90% of the time. When I switch to my trumpet I find it difficult to play. I can't figure out what I need to do to get the seem control and range while playing the trumpet.

Any suggestion ... I am playing echo Taps in April and they want us all to play trumpets. Or do I just need to spend more practice time with my trumpet?
I recently switched from trumpet to cornet, so I assume that you need to do what I did in reverse.

I used to play loud and high on trumpet.
That required a lot of compression with tight embouchure and tight abdominals.

When I switched to cornet I had to learn to breath more gently, and I had to learn to relax my embouchure more without letting it become sloppy / saggy.
The cornet needed more air than the trumpet, but I nevertheless needed to deliver that air much more gently.
As though I was allowing the air to fall into the cornet with the gentlest of pressure (rather than violently force the air into the cornet) in order to get the most pleasant cornet tone.

If I were to make a crude analogy,
I make love to a cornet but I have rough sex with a trumpet.

So I would suggest that perhaps you need to tighten your embouchure and tighten your abdominals and blow the air more forcefully into the trumpet.

Many people in these trumpet forums have observed that playing cornet and playing trumpet require different techniques / approaches in breathing, so you are not alone in encountering the differences.

BTW, are you using a different make and model of trumpet mouthpiece than you use for cornet?
Although most people try to use a mouthpiece that has the same diameter and rim to make switching back and forth easier, most people also use a shallower mouthpiece on trumpet.
So if you use a semi-deep Bach 7B for cornet, you might try a semi-shallow Bach 7D for trumpet.

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Re: Cornet to Trumpet transition

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If I were to make a crude analogy,
I make love to a cornet but I have rough sex with a trumpet.

So I would suggest that perhaps you need to tighten your embouchure and tighten your abdominals and blow the air more forcefully into the trumpet.................

BTW, are you using a different make and model of trumpet mouthpiece than you use for cornet?
Although most people try to use a mouthpiece that has the same diameter and rim to make switching back and forth easier, most people also use a shallower mouthpiece on trumpet.
So if you use a semi-deep Bach 7B for cornet, you might try a semi-shallow Bach 7D for trumpet.

- Morris
I like the analogy ... very humorous but helpful. After work yesterday tried your tips and it did make a big difference.

As far as mouthpiece on the cornet I use a Schilke 14a4a and a Benge 7C. On the trumpet from my college days the only MPC that survived was my 14a4a. I really like my 7C more when playing my cornet. What would you suggest to use ?

Thanks for all your help so far I love this message board better than my car club.
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

If you like the 7c better, then I would go with that... you can get a good Bach 7c pretty cheap as far as mouthpiece prices go!!
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

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If you like the 7c better, then I would go with that... you can get a good Bach 7c pretty cheap as far as mouthpiece prices go!!

I have several 7C mouthpieces made by various manufacturers. All are 'slightly' different. My favorite is a recently custom gold plated Olds 7C trumpet mouthpiece. It is far and away,( for me ), better than any of my other 7Cs.


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Old 02-29-2008, 09:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have several 7C mouthpieces made by various manufacturers. All are 'slightly' different. My favorite is a recently custom gold plated Olds 7C trumpet mouthpiece. It is far and away,( for me ), better than any of my other 7Cs.


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I agree there are far better mouthpieces out there than "the Bach standard", I personally play on a Stork XMS10, but you have to admit, for the money, Bach is hard to beat.

In fact, a Bach 7c is going for 34.99 on mouthpieceexpress.com
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

I think the brass band people are going to say the 14A4a is not a good cornet mouthpiece. I would not use it. I would suggest a Bach 5C or equivalent.
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

All you guys playing cornet on a Bach C up, when you play a Wick B (or no letter) cup what do you hear that you dislike?
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Re: Cornet to Trumopet transition

For twenty years I played cornet in the US Marine Band, Washington. D.C., and for twenty years when I wasn't playing in the band, I played my C trumpet. At the time I played a Bach 1 1/2c on both horns. I don't remember any problems, but I haven't played a cornet since I retired! :)
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