If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at?

rbdeli · 05-09-2009, 12:33 AM

I've got a 1980 Bach Strad that I played in college at North Texas in the early to mid-80s. I also have a 1921 Buescher that as far as I Can tell, is not a very good horn. Probably a student model. My Dad owns a 1950's Vocabell (rimless bell) Conn Trumpet that he promises to give to me some day.

I want something that's old and special, but still plays really well. Big open sound like some of those old Conn cornets with the open lead pipes. Should I look at a cornet? What do you recommend for my first good Collector's Horn?

RUFocused · 05-09-2009, 03:49 AM

I recommend one or all of the following...
-Burbank era Benge.
-Olds recording
-French Besson
-Olds Mendez
Happy Hunting!!

Peter McNeill · 05-09-2009, 05:36 AM

I would argue you already have your first good collectors horn...the Bach Strad.

For a small sum you could look for a good Conn New Wonder / Victor. The Olds Recording would be a graet one to end with...

Have a good journey.
Cheers

Ursa · 05-09-2009, 05:52 AM

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I would argue you already have your first good collectors horn...the Bach Strad.

I fully agree with this statement. Why not find another Bach Strad with a different bore/leadpipe/bell combo that does something better or different than the Strad you've already got? In other words, get another Strad that fills a need unmet by your current horn.

Happy hunting!

rowuk · 05-09-2009, 06:49 AM

Gabriels Horn!
Live a great, generous life. Help those around you, and all of the other things. Concentrate on the important things in life. Death is a certainty, but fond memories keep some immortal.

I think the market prices on vintage horns (except student/intemediate models) are ridiculous. The right vintage horn is the current best deal that fits in your budget. I would suggest an instrument that is COMPLEMENTARY to your present collection. If you don't have a cornet or flugel, that is a good place to start, after that maybe a higher pitched trumpet or an Eb alto trumpet. Diversity means that they will get played more! The odd instruments are harder to sell and that means better value for YOU!

A.N.A. Mendez · 05-09-2009, 08:24 AM

I like Olds recordings! Beautiful, great players

Trumpet1Ohio · 05-09-2009, 08:47 AM

I've sold alot of great old horns, including a Burbank Benge 3X I swore I'd never sell. I've ended up with a '53 Olds Recording that I love. Best horn I've ever played. I'd like to have a nice old 40s-50's Strad. Have my eye on one. :)

trumpetnick · 05-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Mednez,

That Olds is awesome! Is it renovated? Looks like new

A.N.A. Mendez · 05-09-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by trumpetnick

Mednez,

That Olds is awesome! Is it renovated? Looks like new

Thanks!

The one on top is original, factory two triggers!. The other one was made "purdy" By Charlie Melk.

VetPsychWars · 05-09-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rbdeli

I've got a 1980 Bach Strad that I played in college at North Texas in the early to mid-80s. I also have a 1921 Buescher that as far as I Can tell, is not a very good horn. Probably a student model. My Dad owns a 1950's Vocabell (rimless bell) Conn Trumpet that he promises to give to me some day.

I want something that's old and special, but still plays really well. Big open sound like some of those old Conn cornets with the open lead pipes. Should I look at a cornet? What do you recommend for my first good Collector's Horn?

Buescher didn't make any "student models" in 1921 and you're having a hard time playing it because the mouthpiece you're trying to use doesn't fit the horns.

For these tighter older horns they like more open mouthpieces. You might try a more V-cup piece on it, such as a Denis Wick; my 1936 Supertone Bandmaster plays well with a Wick 3. I wouldn't be surprised if a Bach 5V or 5MV would work with it, either.

As for something old and special and plays well, this Buescher 400 might work for you.

Tom

05-09-2009, 12:33 AM	#1
rbdeli Piano User Join Date: May 2009 Location: CO Posts: 377	If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? I've got a 1980 Bach Strad that I played in college at North Texas in the early to mid-80s. I also have a 1921 Buescher that as far as I Can tell, is not a very good horn. Probably a student model. My Dad owns a 1950's Vocabell (rimless bell) Conn Trumpet that he promises to give to me some day. I want something that's old and special, but still plays really well. Big open sound like some of those old Conn cornets with the open lead pipes. Should I look at a cornet? What do you recommend for my first good Collector's Horn? __________________ Find your favorite Trumpet

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RUFocused Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 117	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? I recommend one or all of the following... -Burbank era Benge. -Olds recording -French Besson -Olds Mendez Happy Hunting!! __________________ "The Horn is just an Amplifier, The person makes the beautiful music" ======================================== Benge 90B, 64 Olds Ambassador mod., 65ish Olds Ambassador Cornet Conn 1050b (My 1st Trumpet) Wishlist: (Let me know If you have played one) Kanstul ZKT 1601 Signature Kanstul ZKT 1500A Signature Phaeton FX Antique Brushed Finish

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Peter McNeill Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 511	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? I would argue you already have your first good collectors horn...the Bach Strad. For a small sum you could look for a good Conn New Wonder / Victor. The Olds Recording would be a graet one to end with... Have a good journey. Cheers __________________ Peter Stopped Counting horns, But just 1 more will be perfect...

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rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? Gabriels Horn! Live a great, generous life. Help those around you, and all of the other things. Concentrate on the important things in life. Death is a certainty, but fond memories keep some immortal. I think the market prices on vintage horns (except student/intemediate models) are ridiculous. The right vintage horn is the current best deal that fits in your budget. I would suggest an instrument that is COMPLEMENTARY to your present collection. If you don't have a cornet or flugel, that is a good place to start, after that maybe a higher pitched trumpet or an Eb alto trumpet. Diversity means that they will get played more! The odd instruments are harder to sell and that means better value for YOU! __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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A.N.A. Mendez Forte User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,246	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? I like Olds recordings! Beautiful, great players __________________ (Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960 "Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love "We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

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Trumpet1Ohio Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 190	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? I've sold alot of great old horns, including a Burbank Benge 3X I swore I'd never sell. I've ended up with a '53 Olds Recording that I love. Best horn I've ever played. I'd like to have a nice old 40s-50's Strad. Have my eye on one. :) __________________ Ken '59 Olds Super '76 Bach Model 37

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trumpetnick Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Posts: 1,890	Re: If you guys were me..what vintage horn would you look at? Mednez, That Olds is awesome! Is it renovated? Looks like new __________________ Spada Bach B flat 72, leadpipe 2L/DWMM1.5C Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C 1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet Spada Custom Piccolo If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

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