King Master Model

screamingmorris · 10-03-2008, 11:44 AM

A question(s) about the King Master Model cornet with .458 bore:

I can only financially justify having one inexpensive cornet.
Due to health problems I need to go to a smaller bore.
I want a mellow tone on the cornet when I use my Bach 7, and I want to scream on the cornet when I use a Bach 7E.

With a shallow mouthpiece, how easy is the upper register (above High C) on a King Master Model cornet with .458 bore?
With a deep mouthpiece, how mellow does the Master Model cornet sound?
Does the Master Model cornet sound different with silverplate instead of lacquered brass?

- Morris

Darthsunshine · 10-03-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingmorris

A question(s) about the King Master Model cornet with .458 bore: I can only financially justify having one inexpensive cornet. Due to health problems I need to go to a smaller bore. I want a mellow tone on the cornet when I use my Bach 7, and I want to scream on the cornet when I use a Bach 7E.

With a shallow mouthpiece, how easy is the upper register (above High C) on a King Master Model cornet with .458 bore? With a deep mouthpiece, how mellow does the Master Model cornet sound? Does the Master Model cornet sound different with silverplate instead of lacquered brass? - Morris

Mine is medium bore in lacquer, but I find it quite free blowing and bright. Although it is brighter in tone than an Ambassador cornet, it can still sound mellow and full with a NY Bach 7c mp. Never tried playing much above the staff in the few days I had it before it went to the shop. However, I'm picking it up from the shop after work today, so I'll take some runs up above the staff and let you know (Understanding I'm no screamer). I've never played a silver plated one, so no opinion there.

oldlou · 10-03-2008, 02:27 PM

I have a superlative condition early King Master Model. It is capable of extreme high range. On my 'much better' days,, so am I. My only complaint on my elderly silver plated Master is that the third valve was not built to accomidate a throw ring. This does lead to 'some' intonation quirks that sometimes bug me. Mouthpiece selection will allow these old girls to sound any way that you want them to, within reasonable limits, of course. I don't expect any of my cornets to sound like my flugel. They just weren't designed for that.

OLDLOU>>

screamingmorris · 10-03-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oldlou

I have a superlative condition early King Master Model. It is capable of extreme high range...

What bore size is yours?
I am interested in the .458 bore version, although if one version is great for upper register then all versions should be to some degree, too, I would assume.

- Morris

oldlou · 10-03-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingmorris

what bore size is yours?
I am interested in the .458 bore version, although if one version is great for upper register then all versions should be to some degree, too, i would assume.

- morris

.458".

Oldlou>>

screamingmorris · 10-03-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oldlou

.458".

Oldlou>>

Do the old King Master Models from the 1940's-1950's accept modern Bach mouthpieces OK?
No need for larger diameter shank or for short-shank mouthpiece?

- Morris

oldlou · 10-03-2008, 04:55 PM

Over the years I have owned and handled many King Master Model cornets. I have yet to find one that had an unusual sized receiver.

On another front; have you considered an Olds Ambassador cornet? They are certainly priced low enough on the current market, those made at Fullerton use common Bach shank mouthpieces, and their overall performance is actually far beyond anything anywhere near the same price. Not only that, there are so very many to choose from.

OLDLOU>>

Dave Mickley · 10-09-2008, 11:34 AM

having owned both the Ambassador and King Master my opinion is [and that is exactly what it is, my opinion] the Ambassador has more of a cornet sound. They are both good players and the tone can be colored by mouthpiece selection. If you run across a deal on either one you can't go wrong.

MFfan · 10-09-2008, 12:51 PM

Morris, I also join the kudos on the qualities of the Ambassador cornet. Great value and sound. Much bigger that my other ones.

Darthsunshine · 10-09-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mickley

having owned both the Ambassador and King Master my opinion is [and that is exactly what it is, my opinion] the Ambassador has more of a cornet sound. They are both good players and the tone can be colored by mouthpiece selection. If you run across a deal on either one you can't go wrong.

My King MM is a bit brighter than an Ambassador, probably because it's a medium bore. The King is maybe a bit more sensitive to mouthpiece selection too, but I would agree that the Ambassador's got a warmer cornet-like all around tone. Considering the MM is a "pro" horn, it's amazing how well the Ambassador compares... and they're a lot cheaper too! I like them equally well, and actually play both every day

10-03-2008, 11:44 AM	#1
screamingmorris Banned Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 809	King Master Model A question(s) about the King Master Model cornet with .458 bore: I can only financially justify having one inexpensive cornet. Due to health problems I need to go to a smaller bore. I want a mellow tone on the cornet when I use my Bach 7, and I want to scream on the cornet when I use a Bach 7E. With a shallow mouthpiece, how easy is the upper register (above High C) on a King Master Model cornet with .458 bore? With a deep mouthpiece, how mellow does the Master Model cornet sound? Does the Master Model cornet sound different with silverplate instead of lacquered brass? - Morris

10-03-2008, 02:27 PM	#3
oldlou Forte User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 1,242	Re: King Master Model I have a superlative condition early King Master Model. It is capable of extreme high range. On my 'much better' days,, so am I. My only complaint on my elderly silver plated Master is that the third valve was not built to accomidate a throw ring. This does lead to 'some' intonation quirks that sometimes bug me. Mouthpiece selection will allow these old girls to sound any way that you want them to, within reasonable limits, of course. I don't expect any of my cornets to sound like my flugel. They just weren't designed for that. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

10-03-2008, 04:55 PM	#7
oldlou Forte User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 1,242	Re: King Master Model Over the years I have owned and handled many King Master Model cornets. I have yet to find one that had an unusual sized receiver. On another front; have you considered an Olds Ambassador cornet? They are certainly priced low enough on the current market, those made at Fullerton use common Bach shank mouthpieces, and their overall performance is actually far beyond anything anywhere near the same price. Not only that, there are so very many to choose from. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

10-09-2008, 11:34 AM	#8
Dave Mickley Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 541	Re: King Master Model having owned both the Ambassador and King Master my opinion is [and that is exactly what it is, my opinion] the Ambassador has more of a cornet sound. They are both good players and the tone can be colored by mouthpiece selection. If you run across a deal on either one you can't go wrong. __________________ formerly known as old geezer Dave C7 Yam. 231 Fl. 15383 King Master Cornet 295628 Weril Cornet Lo 7535

10-09-2008, 12:51 PM	#9
MFfan Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 1,690	Re: King Master Model Morris, I also join the kudos on the qualities of the Ambassador cornet. Great value and sound. Much bigger that my other ones. __________________ Dave Rafferty Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?) Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan) Besson 609 Trumpet 1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet 1948 Besson cornet 1946 King Master Cornet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

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