blowit

Hi

I'm a new member from the UK. I've just purchased a King Silver Flair and really love it. I'd like to find out as much as I can about it. There's a number stamped on the middle valve case which is 41 392086. I've looked at a couple of sites and I think this probably means it was manufactured between 1960 to 1965. These sites only refer to the last 6 digits of the number. I haven't found anything that tells me what the 41 means. I'd appreciate any information anyone can offer.

Sturmbill

Welcome to TM! You'll find a lot of knowledgeable folks here to help you.

As to your Silver Flair, I would suspect that it was actually made in 1991. The rule seems to be that you add 50 to the first number (in your case 41), and that will give you the manufacture year. It is something that UMI apparently did to all of its brands for a while. This would be an even stronger supposition if your Flair has two braces in the tuning slide crook area. The originals only had one. My '67 has one brace and a serial # of 442XXX. Check out this site:
silverflair

Good luck with your Flair!

Bill

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blowit

Thanks Bill. What you say does seem to fit. The Flair does have two braces.

Ray

DaveH

The Silver Flairs with only six digit serial numbers and no prefix of any kind are pre UMI horns made pursuant to the original design and specifications of the original King Silver Flair.

UMI(United Musical Instruments) bought out King Musical Instruments about 1985. That company also no longer independently exists and instruments having the King name are made by Conn/Selmer, which may now be a division of Steinway. Instruments with a prefix such as you mention before the six digit number are horns made in the UMI period - 1985 - or later.

The Silver Flair made its debut in 1964 in Cleveland Ohio in the H.N. White Company. That company became King Musical Instruments in 1965 and remained so until UMI bought it in 1985.

blowit

Thanks also to you Dave for such a fulsome reply. What an excellent forum this is.

Ray

jimwhite44

Hello
I am new to the forum. My parents bought me a new King silverflair in either 64 or 65. I thought it was the first year that King made these, but could be wrong. I still have the trumpet, but it is in storage and don't have the serials ect. in front of me. Where would I find out more about it. Value etc. Thanks.

MFfan

Welcome to the forum. A couple of places are Horn-u-copia scroll down to the H.N. White co thread, also go to the HN Website, H N White Company Makers of King Band Instruments 1893-1965 , the official site. Also, surf the forum by using the search function and you should come up with some King threads to look over.

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Patrizio

Hi all,

I found a nice King silver flair on e-bay with 5 followed by 745243.. it it a UMI model, but in this case how works the rule of adding 50? Do you think is a good trumpet for an old 50 years old student? Thanks a lot!

MFfan

For 1996-2000 horns, "5" precedes the serial, according to Kirmser's list. I looked at the ad. Looks like a nice horn, while not the instrument the originals were, I think it might work out for you if it hold to a decent price.. It is a ML bore, as are most student and the majority of trumpets anyway, I think. Wouln't mind one myself, but too much moola for me.
Check out the reviews from Brass Review.
Brass Review.com - King Silver Flair
Very mixed reviews of the UMI models.

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Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?)
Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan)

Besson 609 Trumpet
1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet
1948 Besson cornet
1946 King Master Cornet
www.kalamazooconcertband.org