Martin Serial Numbers

tom turner · 11-10-2003, 10:16 PM

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Here is an accurate Martin serial number list.

David

1919 17221
1920 19482
1921 19933-23781
1922 29942
1923 34838
1924 40644
1925 48489-54853
1926 62852-72051
1927 79204
1928 86687
1929 92536
1930 98324
1931 101622
1932 105096
1933 106546
1934 108301
1935 111253
1936 116551
1937 118038
1938 126998
1939 132070
1940 136040
1941 140199
1942 144455
1943 145322
1944 000000
1945 145352
1946 154289
1947 161520
1948 165326
1949 170395
1950 172215
1951 175140
1952 179317
1953 183125
1954 187614
1955 193747
1956 194213
1957 201809
1958 203917
1959 205377
1960 209089
1961 211675
1962 213999
1963 218855
1964 700000
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Re: Martin Serial Numbers
« Reply #1 on: 10/11/2003 at 09:26:28 »

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A few years ago, several Martin collectors compiled this list:

1919: 17200 (I have 17290)
1921: 34100 - 40609 (including my 34151)
1922: 40610 - 47118 (including my 45680)
1923: 47119 - 53627
1924: 53628 - 60136
1925: 60137 - 66645
1926: 66646 - 73154
1927: 73155 - 79663 (including my 74286)
1928: 79664 - 86172
1929: 86173 - 92681
1930: 92682 - 99190
1931: 99191 - 105700 (including my 100918)

(6510 horns for 1931, to round up by one)

Calculated average: 1921 - 1931: 6509 horns/year

1932: 105701 - 108724 (including my 105760)
1933: 108725 - 111747
1934: 111748 - 114770
1935: 114771 - 117793
1936: 117794 - 120816
1937: 120817 - 123839
1938: 123840 - 126862
1939: 126863 - 129885
1940: 129886 - 132908
1941: 132909 - 135931
1942: 135932 - 138954
1943: 138955 - 141977
1944: 141978 - 145000

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crowmadic · 11-03-2006, 01:55 PM

Tom,
I have a The Martim Imperial Elkhart Indiana USA in nearly pristine condition. Yet, according to your Serial # list this Martin with Serial # 708027 would have been made around 1964. I'm surprised and suspicious of the condition it's in. What are your thoughts about this?

thanks..........tom

Robert Rowe · 12-23-2006, 11:34 PM

It is not unheard of to find a vintage horn in "pristine" condition. I have several, including Martins.

Also, many horns are "restored" to "like-new" condition, fooling even the most discerning "experts" (hate that word!). Remember the "Shroud of Turin" controversy?

Serial-number lists are notoriously unreliable, as sourced from companies that have changed ownership during their history.

Enjoy your horn. It is not considered a high-level "collectible" instrument, whatever the year of origin.

Robt

Navy4Christ · 08-13-2008, 12:17 AM

I have a gorgeous Martin Trumpet, with serial number 146** ... it would have been manufactured prior to 1918? It must have been one of Dad's first horns.

It is part of my Dad's collection, and I was just researching values to put it up for sale when I stumbled across this posting. Since Mom has been in intensive care for 12 days and counting, I must sell the entire collection ...sigh... to cover her costs.

After Ebay robbed me for a couple hundred bucks on a single item (Bach Strad) that didn't even sell, the Martin (the Calicchio, the Victor Conn's, the Benge's etc etc) will not be placed on that site! First and last experience there.

Do you folks have any suggestions on alternative auction/sale sites for these instruments?
Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. All of these instruments hold great memories and I'm simply too distracted to do them justice.

Navy4Christ/Horns - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Walter · 08-13-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Navy4Christ

I have a gorgeous Martin Trumpet, with serial number 146** ... it would have been manufactured prior to 1918? It must have been one of Dad's first horns.

It is part of my Dad's collection, and I was just researching values to put it up for sale when I stumbled across this posting. Since Mom has been in intensive care for 12 days and counting, I must sell the entire collection ...sigh... to cover her costs.

After Ebay robbed me for a couple hundred bucks on a single item (Bach Strad) that didn't even sell, the Martin (the Calicchio, the Victor Conn's, the Benge's etc etc) will not be placed on that site! First and last experience there.

Do you folks have any suggestions on alternative auction/sale sites for these instruments?
Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. All of these instruments hold great memories and I'm simply too distracted to do them justice.

Navy4Christ/Horns - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Sorry to hear about your mother...hope that goes well.

There is a classified section here on TM..might be wise to just ask for what you want and see what happens. A problem will be to convince members that this is not a scam.....

Walter

MFfan · 08-13-2008, 09:07 AM

This is a difficult time for you, for sure. The collection on photobucket is really fine, with some unusual instruments to me. You might consider joining Trumpetherald forum. They have a larger classifieds operation. Would consignment be a possibility? I imagine, though you are looking for a quick turnover to help with the bills. Too bad you have to sell such an asset, but your mom is a more valuable one! Good luck with everything.

Navy4Christ · 08-13-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Walter

A problem will be to convince members that this is not a scam.....

I can see your point; this is not a scam, however. Selling the horns is not a decision easily made, because every one of them holds a memory.

When Dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, I made a website for him where you can see photos of Mom and Dad, many of the instruments and many souvenirs from his 75 year musical career, including audio clips. On the first page, he's playing 'Ding Dong Daddy from Dumas,' with Johnny Catron's Band at Catalina. The site is Leader Of The Band. You'll find images of some of the Big Bands where Dad wrote and arranged music before he was even old enough to vote, and a pay scale from 1928 that shows Bing Crosby earning a whopping $150 for a week's work.

I've also posted more photos of the instruments (and one of Dad) on my TrumpetMaster profile.

Thank you for the kindness and consideration; it is deeply appreciated.

Navy4Christ · 08-13-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFfan

This is a difficult time for you, for sure. The collection on photobucket is really fine, with some unusual instruments to me. ... Too bad you have to sell such an asset, but your mom is a more valuable one! Good luck with everything.

Aye, Mom is the more valuable asset and the only reason (other than the grandkidlets) I would consider selling these particular instruments. Some of the horns are really unique. The Correll, for example is an extraordinary 23 inches long with a bell that is about an inch bigger than the Martin, Benge or other horns. The Lyon-Healy is a magnificent instrument, even in its present condition. I've never seen another like it and it would be one I'd consider for rehab' ing.

Most of the instruments Dad had before I was born (and I'm about 9 days younger 'n dirt according to the grandkidlets' thinking). Some of them were made by people he considered friends: Benge and Calicchio for example. Others, he purchased from bandmembers like Big Dave Cavanaugh. Every horn is a little bit of history.

I deeply appreciate your kindness, by the way. Thank you.

zentrails · 05-25-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navy4Christ

The Lyon-Healy is a magnificent instrument, even in its present condition. I've never seen another like it and it would be one I'd consider for rehab' ing.
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Old thread but your nice pics are still on line. A very nice collection.

I have a Lyon & Healy Duplex in near perfect condition and can say that it is a nice player, too. It looks and plays a little like a miniature flugelhorn, IMO.

HoosierConn · 05-29-2009, 10:48 AM

Here's a puzzler for you: just acquired a Martin Indiana s/n 732xx (5 digits). I am pretty sure it is 1960 +/- vintage, not 1920s as the number suggests. I wonder if the Indiana brand had their own, separate s/n for a period of time? Pictures are here -

Picasa Web Albums - Fred - Martin Indiana

The bell engraving has a triangle shaped outline (tipi, wigwam? I think so!) with a script "I" over a native American chief's head with feathered headdress in profile. Under that is "THE" in small block letters, then "Indiana" in large script, then "THE MARTIN BAND INST. CO." over "ELKHART, IND."
The horn has green felts on top of the valve caps. The valve stems, top and bottom caps, and buttons are lacquered brass. (I hand polished the horn and the pictures are deceiving.) The two S-shaped braces, the pinky hook, and the cool trombone-like water keys are lacquered silver or some other white metal plate.

Bore is .453". Valves are top spring, contemporary design, except that the guide is brass instead of plastic.

Any ideas? Thanks!

11-03-2006, 01:55 PM	#2
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 668	Martin Imperial Tom, I have a The Martim Imperial Elkhart Indiana USA in nearly pristine condition. Yet, according to your Serial # list this Martin with Serial # 708027 would have been made around 1964. I'm surprised and suspicious of the condition it's in. What are your thoughts about this? thanks..........tom

12-23-2006, 11:34 PM	#3
Robert Rowe Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 500	Re: Martin Serial Numbers It is not unheard of to find a vintage horn in "pristine" condition. I have several, including Martins. Also, many horns are "restored" to "like-new" condition, fooling even the most discerning "experts" (hate that word!). Remember the "Shroud of Turin" controversy? Serial-number lists are notoriously unreliable, as sourced from companies that have changed ownership during their history. Enjoy your horn. It is not considered a high-level "collectible" instrument, whatever the year of origin. Robt __________________ " ... Ya cain't polish a turd ...!" (old Southern expression) ~~ Love animals ... don't eat them. ~~

08-13-2008, 12:17 AM	#4
Navy4Christ New Friend Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 20	Re: Martin Serial Numbers I have a gorgeous Martin Trumpet, with serial number 146** ... it would have been manufactured prior to 1918? It must have been one of Dad's first horns. It is part of my Dad's collection, and I was just researching values to put it up for sale when I stumbled across this posting. Since Mom has been in intensive care for 12 days and counting, I must sell the entire collection ...sigh... to cover her costs. After Ebay robbed me for a couple hundred bucks on a single item (Bach Strad) that didn't even sell, the Martin (the Calicchio, the Victor Conn's, the Benge's etc etc) will not be placed on that site! First and last experience there. Do you folks have any suggestions on alternative auction/sale sites for these instruments? Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. All of these instruments hold great memories and I'm simply too distracted to do them justice. Navy4Christ/Horns - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting __________________ 'I'm just a living legacy to the Leader of the Band...'

08-13-2008, 09:07 AM	#6
MFfan Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 1,690	Re: Martin Serial Numbers This is a difficult time for you, for sure. The collection on photobucket is really fine, with some unusual instruments to me. You might consider joining Trumpetherald forum. They have a larger classifieds operation. Would consignment be a possibility? I imagine, though you are looking for a quick turnover to help with the bills. Too bad you have to sell such an asset, but your mom is a more valuable one! Good luck with everything. __________________ Dave Rafferty Lemar Trumpet (peashooter-Conn?) Lyrical Trumpet (Tokan) Besson 609 Trumpet 1955-60 Besson 8-10 Trumpet 1948 Besson cornet 1946 King Master Cornet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

05-29-2009, 10:48 AM	#10
HoosierConn New Friend Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 1	Re: Martin Serial Numbers Here's a puzzler for you: just acquired a Martin Indiana s/n 732xx (5 digits). I am pretty sure it is 1960 +/- vintage, not 1920s as the number suggests. I wonder if the Indiana brand had their own, separate s/n for a period of time? Pictures are here - Picasa Web Albums - Fred - Martin Indiana The bell engraving has a triangle shaped outline (tipi, wigwam? I think so!) with a script "I" over a native American chief's head with feathered headdress in profile. Under that is "THE" in small block letters, then "Indiana" in large script, then "THE MARTIN BAND INST. CO." over "ELKHART, IND." The horn has green felts on top of the valve caps. The valve stems, top and bottom caps, and buttons are lacquered brass. (I hand polished the horn and the pictures are deceiving.) The two S-shaped braces, the pinky hook, and the cool trombone-like water keys are lacquered silver or some other white metal plate. Bore is .453". Valves are top spring, contemporary design, except that the guide is brass instead of plastic. Any ideas? Thanks! Last edited by HoosierConn; 05-29-2009 at 12:52 PM. Reason: additional data

11-10-2003, 10:16 PM	#1
tom turner Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 788	Martin Serial Numbers Gnostic New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 23 Martin Serial Numbers « Thread started on: 10/09/2003 at 21:36:52 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is an accurate Martin serial number list. David 1919 17221 1920 19482 1921 19933-23781 1922 29942 1923 34838 1924 40644 1925 48489-54853 1926 62852-72051 1927 79204 1928 86687 1929 92536 1930 98324 1931 101622 1932 105096 1933 106546 1934 108301 1935 111253 1936 116551 1937 118038 1938 126998 1939 132070 1940 136040 1941 140199 1942 144455 1943 145322 1944 000000 1945 145352 1946 154289 1947 161520 1948 165326 1949 170395 1950 172215 1951 175140 1952 179317 1953 183125 1954 187614 1955 193747 1956 194213 1957 201809 1958 203917 1959 205377 1960 209089 1961 211675 1962 213999 1963 218855 1964 700000 Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every person must find their own path. Live your own truth. Favorite links: http://www.kanstul.net http://www.monette.net http://www.ebay.com http://www.sylvia.org Japle New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 13 Re: Martin Serial Numbers « Reply #1 on: 10/11/2003 at 09:26:28 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few years ago, several Martin collectors compiled this list: 1919: 17200 (I have 17290) 1921: 34100 - 40609 (including my 34151) 1922: 40610 - 47118 (including my 45680) 1923: 47119 - 53627 1924: 53628 - 60136 1925: 60137 - 66645 1926: 66646 - 73154 1927: 73155 - 79663 (including my 74286) 1928: 79664 - 86172 1929: 86173 - 92681 1930: 92682 - 99190 1931: 99191 - 105700 (including my 100918) (6510 horns for 1931, to round up by one) Calculated average: 1921 - 1931: 6509 horns/year 1932: 105701 - 108724 (including my 105760) 1933: 108725 - 111747 1934: 111748 - 114770 1935: 114771 - 117793 1936: 117794 - 120816 1937: 120817 - 123839 1938: 123840 - 126862 1939: 126863 - 129885 1940: 129886 - 132908 1941: 132909 - 135931 1942: 135932 - 138954 1943: 138955 - 141977 1944: 141978 - 145000 John Cape Canaveral

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