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    Here is an accurate Martin serial number list.



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    1919 17221
    1920 19482
    1921 19933-23781
    1922 29942
    1923 34838
    1924 40644
    1925 48489-54853
    1926 62852-72051
    1927 79204
    1928 86687
    1929 92536
    1930 98324
    1931 101622
    1932 105096
    1933 106546
    1934 108301
    1935 111253
    1936 116551
    1937 118038
    1938 126998
    1939 132070
    1940 136040
    1941 140199
    1942 144455
    1943 145322
    1944 000000
    1945 145352
    1946 154289
    1947 161520
    1948 165326
    1949 170395
    1950 172215
    1951 175140
    1952 179317
    1953 183125
    1954 187614
    1955 193747
    1956 194213
    1957 201809
    1958 203917
    1959 205377
    1960 209089
    1961 211675
    1962 213999
    1963 218855
    1964 700000
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    « Reply #1 on: 10/11/2003 at 09:26:28 »

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    A few years ago, several Martin collectors compiled this list:

    1919: 17200 (I have 17290)
    1921: 34100 - 40609 (including my 34151)
    1922: 40610 - 47118 (including my 45680)
    1923: 47119 - 53627
    1924: 53628 - 60136
    1925: 60137 - 66645
    1926: 66646 - 73154
    1927: 73155 - 79663 (including my 74286)
    1928: 79664 - 86172
    1929: 86173 - 92681
    1930: 92682 - 99190
    1931: 99191 - 105700 (including my 100918)

    (6510 horns for 1931, to round up by one)

    Calculated average: 1921 - 1931: 6509 horns/year

    1932: 105701 - 108724 (including my 105760)
    1933: 108725 - 111747
    1934: 111748 - 114770
    1935: 114771 - 117793
    1936: 117794 - 120816
    1937: 120817 - 123839
    1938: 123840 - 126862
    1939: 126863 - 129885
    1940: 129886 - 132908
    1941: 132909 - 135931
    1942: 135932 - 138954
    1943: 138955 - 141977
    1944: 141978 - 145000

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    Tom,
    I have a The Martim Imperial Elkhart Indiana USA in nearly pristine condition. Yet, according to your Serial # list this Martin with Serial # 708027 would have been made around 1964. I'm surprised and suspicious of the condition it's in. What are your thoughts about this?

    thanks..........tom

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    Re: Martin Serial Numbers

    It is not unheard of to find a vintage horn in "pristine" condition. I have several, including Martins.

    Also, many horns are "restored" to "like-new" condition, fooling even the most discerning "experts" (hate that word!). Remember the "Shroud of Turin" controversy?

    Serial-number lists are notoriously unreliable, as sourced from companies that have changed ownership during their history.

    Enjoy your horn. It is not considered a high-level "collectible" instrument, whatever the year of origin.

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    Re: Martin Serial Numbers

    I have a gorgeous Martin Trumpet, with serial number 146** ... it would have been manufactured prior to 1918? It must have been one of Dad's first horns.

    It is part of my Dad's collection, and I was just researching values to put it up for sale when I stumbled across this posting. Since Mom has been in intensive care for 12 days and counting, I must sell the entire collection ...sigh... to cover her costs.

    After Ebay robbed me for a couple hundred bucks on a single item (Bach Strad) that didn't even sell, the Martin (the Calicchio, the Victor Conn's, the Benge's etc etc) will not be placed on that site! First and last experience there.

    Do you folks have any suggestions on alternative auction/sale sites for these instruments?
    Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. All of these instruments hold great memories and I'm simply too distracted to do them justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy4Christ View Post
    I have a gorgeous Martin Trumpet, with serial number 146** ... it would have been manufactured prior to 1918? It must have been one of Dad's first horns.

    It is part of my Dad's collection, and I was just researching values to put it up for sale when I stumbled across this posting. Since Mom has been in intensive care for 12 days and counting, I must sell the entire collection ...sigh... to cover her costs.

    After Ebay robbed me for a couple hundred bucks on a single item (Bach Strad) that didn't even sell, the Martin (the Calicchio, the Victor Conn's, the Benge's etc etc) will not be placed on that site! First and last experience there.

    Do you folks have any suggestions on alternative auction/sale sites for these instruments?
    Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. All of these instruments hold great memories and I'm simply too distracted to do them justice.


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    Sorry to hear about your mother...hope that goes well.

    There is a classified section here on TM..might be wise to just ask for what you want and see what happens. A problem will be to convince members that this is not a scam.....



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    This is a difficult time for you, for sure. The collection on photobucket is really fine, with some unusual instruments to me. You might consider joining Trumpetherald forum. They have a larger classifieds operation. Would consignment be a possibility? I imagine, though you are looking for a quick turnover to help with the bills. Too bad you have to sell such an asset, but your mom is a more valuable one! Good luck with everything.
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    Re: Martin Serial Numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    A problem will be to convince members that this is not a scam.....
    I can see your point; this is not a scam, however. Selling the horns is not a decision easily made, because every one of them holds a memory.

    When Dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, I made a website for him where you can see photos of Mom and Dad, many of the instruments and many souvenirs from his 75 year musical career, including audio clips. On the first page, he's playing 'Ding Dong Daddy from Dumas,' with Johnny Catron's Band at Catalina. The site is Leader Of The Band. You'll find images of some of the Big Bands where Dad wrote and arranged music before he was even old enough to vote, and a pay scale from 1928 that shows Bing Crosby earning a whopping $150 for a week's work.

    I've also posted more photos of the instruments (and one of Dad) on my TrumpetMaster profile.

    Thank you for the kindness and consideration; it is deeply appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFfan View Post
    This is a difficult time for you, for sure. The collection on photobucket is really fine, with some unusual instruments to me. ... Too bad you have to sell such an asset, but your mom is a more valuable one! Good luck with everything.
    Aye, Mom is the more valuable asset and the only reason (other than the grandkidlets) I would consider selling these particular instruments. Some of the horns are really unique. The Correll, for example is an extraordinary 23 inches long with a bell that is about an inch bigger than the Martin, Benge or other horns. The Lyon-Healy is a magnificent instrument, even in its present condition. I've never seen another like it and it would be one I'd consider for rehab' ing.

    Most of the instruments Dad had before I was born (and I'm about 9 days younger 'n dirt according to the grandkidlets' thinking). Some of them were made by people he considered friends: Benge and Calicchio for example. Others, he purchased from bandmembers like Big Dave Cavanaugh. Every horn is a little bit of history.

    I deeply appreciate your kindness, by the way. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy4Christ View Post
    The Lyon-Healy is a magnificent instrument, even in its present condition. I've never seen another like it and it would be one I'd consider for rehab' ing.
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    Old thread but your nice pics are still on line. A very nice collection.

    I have a Lyon & Healy Duplex in near perfect condition and can say that it is a nice player, too. It looks and plays a little like a miniature flugelhorn, IMO.

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    Re: Martin Serial Numbers

    Here's a puzzler for you: just acquired a Martin Indiana s/n 732xx (5 digits). I am pretty sure it is 1960 +/- vintage, not 1920s as the number suggests. I wonder if the Indiana brand had their own, separate s/n for a period of time? Pictures are here -

    Picasa Web Albums - Fred - Martin Indiana

    The bell engraving has a triangle shaped outline (tipi, wigwam? I think so!) with a script "I" over a native American chief's head with feathered headdress in profile. Under that is "THE" in small block letters, then "Indiana" in large script, then "THE MARTIN BAND INST. CO." over "ELKHART, IND."
    The horn has green felts on top of the valve caps. The valve stems, top and bottom caps, and buttons are lacquered brass. (I hand polished the horn and the pictures are deceiving.) The two S-shaped braces, the pinky hook, and the cool trombone-like water keys are lacquered silver or some other white metal plate.

    Bore is .453". Valves are top spring, contemporary design, except that the guide is brass instead of plastic.

    Any ideas? Thanks!
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