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    Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Howdy hey hello I'm new and honestly only joined to ask your lovely trumpet-happy community about this old cornet I found in my recently passed grandfather's closet. My old teacher told me it's Old with a capitol O; there's no serial number, and the only inscription on it is "C. Fischer New York". Im hoping someone here might know a bit more about it.
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    and heres the old leather case it was in!
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    thank you!
    (edit: sorry the picture of the case is upside down!)
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Carl Fischer is a long-established (1870's) music publishing firm based in New York City. These days, the emphasis is on the publishing business. In the past, Fischer sold a wide variety of instruments under its name. Generally, they were imported stencils, but you can find more information about the firm at horn-u-copia.net. There's also a copy of a fairly early Fischer catalog in the Library section there. The quality of the instruments branded as Carl Fischer varied, but the firm also served as the importer of some of the finest brands available. Clean it up, oil it, and play it. It might be high pitch, it might not. Only testing can determine that unless you happen to find a small "HP" or "LP" marking on a valve casing or similar spot.
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    I'll bet you see "Bohemia" or "Austria" stamped on the receiver (where the leadpipe bit goes in, as opposed to the mouthpiece).

    The nipples on the bottom caps and wishbone water key tell me that it's indeed the oldest of its already quite ancient design.
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    I may not know too much about the history of the instrument, but what I DO know is that you should pass it on to me!
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Interesting find. I played something similar on my final recital 7 years ago on my final recital at the RNCM. It was given to me by my teacher at that time, however it appeared to be French-made - Lammar or something hing similar. These cornets have a voice of their own, quite appropriate for Arban and Clarke kind of stuff.
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    That Courtois Arban Model inspired knock-off is a Bohland & Fuchs Model 2 cornet, circa 1890s. These were stenciled under many names including Carl Fischer, Vega, Champion Silver Piston, Geo. Barings (HE McMillin brand), Henry Gunkel (Lyon & Healy brand), Marceau (Sears brand), Jules De Vere (Wards brand), and Silver Star (HN White stencil brand). Many of the B+F stencil cornets are shown in my quick history at http://www.trumpet-history.com/Bohla...%20Cornets.htm .
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Don't B&F horns have a small anchor stamped into them someplace?

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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Quote Originally Posted by jimc View Post
    Don't B&F horns have a small anchor stamped into them someplace?
    Sometimes yes. A "B+F" marking is another indication. For the 1880s/90s series, what I see most consistently is what is presumed to be the model number just under the valve number on second. In this case, there is some sort of mark covering that location, but it normally would have a "2" there. im not sure if that is another form of symbol, or a dent with incredibly inconvenient placement.
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    Looks like an old German or French Cornet. It is possibly old Lyon & Healy but the firm Lyon & Healy was always stamped on the bell. Carl Fischer imported instruments from Graslitz and even old Amati horns. Few weeks ago was a Carl Fischer imported Bohemian Rotary valve cornet sold by the Excelsior Cornet Band, pretty cool horn that was.....

    Just think its a German/Bohemian/Czechoslovakian horn imported by Carl Fischer.
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    Re: Old Shepherd's Crook Cornet(?)

    I think OlsSchoolEuph has it nailed..

    Bohland & Fuchs Model 2 cornet, circa 1890s

    and his link has the exact pic of a carcass that matches the OP's horn photos.
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