Olds Mendez or Recording

tom turner · 11-10-2003, 09:22 PM

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Olds Mendez or Recording
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I would like to add an Olds to my small collection of classic vintage horns. I will likely purchase a Mendez, or a Recording.

Does anyone have any advice regarding Olds horns. Are some years better than others? Are there multiple versions of each of these horns?

What are you favorite Olds vintages, models and features.

Any input, Tom? Anybody?

Thanks,
Ed
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« Reply #1 on: 10/13/2003 at 17:56:05 »

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I personally would try and get an Olds Recording. The tone is just beautiful. The Mendez Model seems to have a brighter sound.
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« Reply #2 on: 10/13/2003 at 19:03:43 »

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Hi,

The Recording is the real Olds gem, IMHO . . . along with the Opera as an interesting second choice.

The Mendez was priced between those two and . . . well frankly . . . ol' Raphey was due his commission of course.

The Mendez was basically a re-trimmed Ambassador with a lightweight pro bell on it. A NICE horn for sure . . . but that Recording was something else indeed!

Today the Mendez is highly regarded in it's own right.

One day soon maybe I'll post the incredible story behind the designing of the Mendez to satisfy Mr. Mendez himself enough to get him away from his beloved French Besson trumpet!

Sincerely,

Tom Turner
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Even tho I have both a Mendez and a Recording I'd agree with the others in the thread - RECORDING.

It not only is a great sounding horn but the valve forward section makes it very comfortable to play. But of course, the "Re-O-Loy" bell with the engraving makes the horn for me.

If you are interested in a Recording, you will want the deep engraving BUT be careful with the early to mid '70s horns. Sometime during that period they changed from human engravers to machines and the deep, strong engraving was lost. They still play well but the beauty of the bell is gone.

On another note, I'd stay away from the Olds Custom horns. Some a good, some a poor. I had a poor one with bad valves and really thin silver plating.

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« Reply #4 on: 10/16/2003 at 13:34:01 »

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Tom,

Why make us wait?

I would love to hear your story.

Thank you,
Ed
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Bill,

Thank you. That was exactly the kind of info I was looking for!

Do you have any more?

Ed

Larry Gianni · 11-16-2003, 11:36 AM

Hi Ed,

A repaiman out here in Los Angeles by the name of Robb Stewart is a real authority on Olds .

He doesn't have a site but here's his number 1 626-447-1904

check out this site also http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
and Robb also wrote an article on " The Olds Central " and he's featured on Nick DeCarlis site.

plus I think he has both an Mendez and an Recording for sale.

Here's a copy of his most recent " For Sale " List. ( 4 pages )

http://www.geocities.com/oldbrass1/price.html

Enjoy

Larry

" the more i practice - the luckier I get " - lee Travino

Anonymous · 11-16-2003, 01:38 PM

I have had a chance to see some work done by Rob Stewart.

Phenominal! Never had anything done myself but from what I have seen you won't go wrong with him!

TM

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Originally Posted by Larry Gianni

Hi Ed,

A repaiman out here in Los Angeles by the name of Robb Stewart is a real authority on Olds .

He doesn't have a site but here's his number 1 626-447-1904

check out this site also http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
and Robb also wrote an article on " The Olds Central " and he's featured on Nick DeCarlis site.

plus I think he has both an Mendez and an Recording for sale.

Here's a copy of his most recent " For Sale " List. ( 4 pages )

http://www.geocities.com/oldbrass1/price.html

Enjoy

Larry

" the more i practice - the luckier I get " - lee Travino

alanbach · 12-11-2003, 09:10 AM

I've just purchased an early 60's Recording via Ebay...what a cracking horn it is. Does anyone know what Olds mouthpiece would have been issued with it? I notice that my Bach 1 1/4c doesn't quite slot correctly into the receiver..or am I being too particular?

azerba · 12-21-2003, 10:35 PM

Played a recording for several years, wished I never sold it. Great playing horn, loved the offset second valve and third valve trigger. I would not buy one made in the 70's because the quality varied on them. I liked the little custome things on it like the pearl tip on the second valve slide pull.

djm6701 · 12-24-2003, 08:10 PM

I have both Mendez and a Recording.

The Mendez sounds quite a bit but not exactly like my Strad 37. It has quite slippery slotting to it. Valves are incredible. My Mendez is quite resistant (only felt it the first 3 days I played it) which works out to being able to play longer phrases in the upper register. It is really a terrific horn and I like it more and more each time I pick it up. For me it has a warmer sound than the Recording.

The Recording has the perfect Olds valves again. The slots are more 'locked in' then the Mendez. The big surprise for me was that, despite the red brass bell, the Recording can be really bright. It is capable of being pushed a lot without breaking up. It feels to me to be more open than the Mendez and tends to produce a fatter sound. It's just plain pretty to look at as well. :)

Hope that helps!

Happy Canuck · 12-24-2003, 10:16 PM

Dave, glad you finally have both of them. Now, of course, the rest of the family is calling!

Merry Christmas, let's get together in the new year to play some duets!?

djm6701 · 12-25-2003, 11:32 AM

And Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

Re: the duets - sounds fun. I should have the Studio waiting for me at the Post Office when I get back into town, so I'll bring that along as well.

I keep going and getting my new Recording out of the case just to look at it - just like a little kid!

11-10-2003, 09:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
tom turner Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia, USA Brand: F. Oakes tpts/flug/cornet Posts: 788	Olds Mendez or Recording Ed Gabriel New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 4 Olds Mendez or Recording « Thread started on: 10/13/2003 at 17:51:01 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to add an Olds to my small collection of classic vintage horns. I will likely purchase a Mendez, or a Recording. Does anyone have any advice regarding Olds horns. Are some years better than others? Are there multiple versions of each of these horns? What are you favorite Olds vintages, models and features. Any input, Tom? Anybody? Thanks, Ed Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LFRoberts5 New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 17 Re: Olds Mendez or Recording « Reply #1 on: 10/13/2003 at 17:56:05 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I personally would try and get an Olds Recording. The tone is just beautiful. The Mendez Model seems to have a brighter sound. Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lloyd F. Roberts 1957 Olds Ambassador Bb Callet Symphonique C Bach Strad Flugelhorn GR 65MX GR 65MS Curry 5XS tomturner Moderator member is online Posts: 24 Re: Olds Mendez or Recording « Reply #2 on: 10/13/2003 at 19:03:43 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, The Recording is the real Olds gem, IMHO . . . along with the Opera as an interesting second choice. The Mendez was priced between those two and . . . well frankly . . . ol' Raphey was due his commission of course. The Mendez was basically a re-trimmed Ambassador with a lightweight pro bell on it. A NICE horn for sure . . . but that Recording was something else indeed! Today the Mendez is highly regarded in it's own right. One day soon maybe I'll post the incredible story behind the designing of the Mendez to satisfy Mr. Mendez himself enough to get him away from his beloved French Besson trumpet! Sincerely, Tom Turner Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Happy Canuck New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 6 Re: Olds Mendez or Recording « Reply #3 on: 10/14/2003 at 09:14:24 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even tho I have both a Mendez and a Recording I'd agree with the others in the thread - RECORDING. It not only is a great sounding horn but the valve forward section makes it very comfortable to play. But of course, the "Re-O-Loy" bell with the engraving makes the horn for me. If you are interested in a Recording, you will want the deep engraving BUT be careful with the early to mid '70s horns. Sometime during that period they changed from human engravers to machines and the deep, strong engraving was lost. They still play well but the beauty of the bell is gone. On another note, I'd stay away from the Olds Custom horns. Some a good, some a poor. I had a poor one with bad valves and really thin silver plating. Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Olds Mendez, Recording, Super, Special, Ambassador trumpets/GR 65M Olds Opera cornet/Sparx 4B Schilke MII trumpet/GR 65M Bach Flug/Bach 7CFL Ed Gabriel New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 4 Re: Olds Mendez or Recording « Reply #4 on: 10/16/2003 at 13:34:01 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom, Why make us wait? I would love to hear your story. Thank you, Ed Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Gabriel New Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 4 Re: Olds Mendez or Recording « Reply #5 on: 10/16/2003 at 13:34:53 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, Thank you. That was exactly the kind of info I was looking for! Do you have any more? Ed

12-11-2003, 09:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
alanbach Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Wales U.K. Posts: 159	I've just purchased an early 60's Recording via Ebay...what a cracking horn it is. Does anyone know what Olds mouthpiece would have been issued with it? I notice that my Bach 1 1/4c doesn't quite slot correctly into the receiver..or am I being too particular?
	__________________ Alan

12-21-2003, 10:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
azerba New Friend Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Pendleton, Oregon USA Posts: 5	Played a recording for several years, wished I never sold it. Great playing horn, loved the offset second valve and third valve trigger. I would not buy one made in the 70's because the quality varied on them. I liked the little custome things on it like the pearl tip on the second valve slide pull.
	__________________ Alan Z.

12-24-2003, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	Mendez or Recording I have both Mendez and a Recording. The Mendez sounds quite a bit but not exactly like my Strad 37. It has quite slippery slotting to it. Valves are incredible. My Mendez is quite resistant (only felt it the first 3 days I played it) which works out to being able to play longer phrases in the upper register. It is really a terrific horn and I like it more and more each time I pick it up. For me it has a warmer sound than the Recording. The Recording has the perfect Olds valves again. The slots are more 'locked in' then the Mendez. The big surprise for me was that, despite the red brass bell, the Recording can be really bright. It is capable of being pushed a lot without breaking up. It feels to me to be more open than the Mendez and tends to produce a fatter sound. It's just plain pretty to look at as well. :) Hope that helps!
	__________________ Dave M. Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Kanstul WB1600 1952 L.A. Olds Recording, 1975 L.A. Benge 3x, Yamaha 631 Flugel, Olds Flugel GR 65.6 Mouthpieces

12-24-2003, 10:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Happy Canuck Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Brand: Olds, Schilke Posts: 159	Dave, glad you finally have both of them. Now, of course, the rest of the family is calling! Merry Christmas, let's get together in the new year to play some duets!?
	__________________ Bill Olds Ambassador, Special, Super, Recording, Mendez Bb trumpets, Custom C trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M Olds Opera & Ambassador A6 Shepherds Crook cornets/Sparx 4B Olds L-12 Flugelhorn/GR Butcher 65.6FL Schilke MII Trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M

11-16-2003, 11:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Larry Gianni Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 266	Hi Ed, A repaiman out here in Los Angeles by the name of Robb Stewart is a real authority on Olds . He doesn't have a site but here's his number 1 626-447-1904 check out this site also http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm and Robb also wrote an article on " The Olds Central " and he's featured on Nick DeCarlis site. plus I think he has both an Mendez and an Recording for sale. Here's a copy of his most recent " For Sale " List. ( 4 pages ) http://www.geocities.com/oldbrass1/price.html Enjoy Larry " the more i practice - the luckier I get " - lee Travino

12-25-2003, 11:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	Recording/Mendez And Merry Christmas to you and yours as well. Re: the duets - sounds fun. I should have the Studio waiting for me at the Post Office when I get back into town, so I'll bring that along as well. I keep going and getting my new Recording out of the case just to look at it - just like a little kid!
	__________________ Dave M. Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Kanstul WB1600 1952 L.A. Olds Recording, 1975 L.A. Benge 3x, Yamaha 631 Flugel, Olds Flugel GR 65.6 Mouthpieces

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