Olds Recording vs Super Recording

dHoff · 03-21-2004, 05:32 PM

Can anyone tell me the differences between the Recording and earlier Super recording?

Also, It seems that the recording is respected equally no matter what year. Is this true?

Certainly the older ones are betterlooking but how much of a difference is there in real quality? It seems a far cry from Bach instruments which although universally respected are almost considered different horns after leaving Mt Vernon.

thanks for all assistance.

-dH

nacog · 03-23-2004, 01:45 AM

I have had two Super Recording cornets in the past as well as a Recording cornet and trumpet. I have heard that the Super Recording has the Recording body and the Super bell . that seems to be true as the Super Recordings bell looks more like yellow brass and the rose brass bell of the Recordings is unmistakable. They played very simularly with the Super being a little brighter. As with the different years on the Recordings, I definitely like the earlier (pre 65 or so) ,mainly because of the engraving. I have a '69 Recording that while nice does not have the elaborateness in the engraving as the '56 that I had. I understand that in the 70's they went to a machine engraving which is really plain.

Handballsteve · 03-24-2004, 06:37 PM

I have owned a 1946 Super, a 1950 Recording and a 1937 Super Recording. The are all quality pro horns. The are each very different in tone and blow. The Super Recording is not a combination of the other two. It is its own horn.
There are some similarities like the offset 2nd valve and forward balanced valve section found on the Recording and the tone ring on the bell like the Super. But it is a very different horn than the other two. I have since traded the Super and the Recording but I still play the Super Recording as it turned out to be my favorite of the three. All are great horns. That is my humble experience.
Cheers,
Steve

bigaggietrumpet · 03-24-2004, 07:48 PM

Could you possibly post a pic of the Super Recording? I've never actually seen one.

Handballsteve · 03-24-2004, 11:36 PM

I do not know how to get the picture into this reply. I tried.
Cheers,
Steve

djm6701 · 03-27-2004, 09:49 PM

Paul Ayick has one here:

http://www.paulayickvintagebrass.com...ng%20%2326052/

Click on the thumbnails for larger pictures.

Heavens2kadonka · 09-19-2004, 03:01 PM

I know I'm reviving a dead topic, but WOW, why doesn't trumpet makers use that kind of engraving on the bell anymore? That is the most gorgeous accent I have EVER seen on a horn! I wish I could see a close-up of what the bordering says.

Van

bigaggietrumpet · 09-19-2004, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavens2kadonka

I know I'm reviving a dead topic, but WOW, why doesn't trumpet makers use that kind of engraving on the bell anymore? That is the most gorgeous accent I have EVER seen on a horn! I wish I could see a close-up of what the bordering says.

Van

I guess they just decided it wasn't cost efficient enough or something. I'd love to see someone start reproducing horns like that. I think if someone did, they'd have a pretty good market.

Lo · 09-19-2004, 08:03 PM

Hi!

I too would love to see engraving back on trumpets. It seems to add a sort of elegance. I know its all for aesthetic purposes, but, I wouldn't have a problem paying a little more for something special

MUSICandCHARACTER · 09-19-2004, 08:15 PM

Check out Dumars Engraving. A couple of hundred dollars for a trumpet, but WOW, it could be very cool.

http://www.dumarsengraving.com/

Jim

03-21-2004, 05:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
dHoff Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 68	Olds Recording vs Super Recording Can anyone tell me the differences between the Recording and earlier Super recording? Also, It seems that the recording is respected equally no matter what year. Is this true? Certainly the older ones are betterlooking but how much of a difference is there in real quality? It seems a far cry from Bach instruments which although universally respected are almost considered different horns after leaving Mt Vernon. thanks for all assistance. -dH

03-23-2004, 01:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
nacog New Friend Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	I have had two Super Recording cornets in the past as well as a Recording cornet and trumpet. I have heard that the Super Recording has the Recording body and the Super bell . that seems to be true as the Super Recordings bell looks more like yellow brass and the rose brass bell of the Recordings is unmistakable. They played very simularly with the Super being a little brighter. As with the different years on the Recordings, I definitely like the earlier (pre 65 or so) ,mainly because of the engraving. I have a '69 Recording that while nice does not have the elaborateness in the engraving as the '56 that I had. I understand that in the 70's they went to a machine engraving which is really plain.
nacog New Friend Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6

03-24-2004, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Handballsteve New Friend Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12	I have owned a 1946 Super, a 1950 Recording and a 1937 Super Recording. The are all quality pro horns. The are each very different in tone and blow. The Super Recording is not a combination of the other two. It is its own horn. There are some similarities like the offset 2nd valve and forward balanced valve section found on the Recording and the tone ring on the bell like the Super. But it is a very different horn than the other two. I have since traded the Super and the Recording but I still play the Super Recording as it turned out to be my favorite of the three. All are great horns. That is my humble experience. Cheers, Steve
	__________________ Lawler C7 1969 Bach 37 GP 1971 Schilke 3 valve Pic. 1980 Yamaha 731 Flugelhorn 1958 Olds Ambassador Cornet

03-24-2004, 07:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Could you possibly post a pic of the Super Recording? I've never actually seen one.
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03-24-2004, 11:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Handballsteve New Friend Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12	I do not know how to get the picture into this reply. I tried. Cheers, Steve
	__________________ Lawler C7 1969 Bach 37 GP 1971 Schilke 3 valve Pic. 1980 Yamaha 731 Flugelhorn 1958 Olds Ambassador Cornet

03-27-2004, 09:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	Paul Ayick has one here: http://www.paulayickvintagebrass.com...ng%20%2326052/ Click on the thumbnails for larger pictures.
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09-19-2004, 03:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,284	I know I'm reviving a dead topic, but WOW, why doesn't trumpet makers use that kind of engraving on the bell anymore? That is the most gorgeous accent I have EVER seen on a horn! I wish I could see a close-up of what the bordering says. Van
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09-19-2004, 08:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lo New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto,Ontario Posts: 43	Hi! I too would love to see engraving back on trumpets. It seems to add a sort of elegance. I know its all for aesthetic purposes, but, I wouldn't have a problem paying a little more for something special

09-19-2004, 08:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Newburgh, Indiana Posts: 1,165	Check out Dumars Engraving. A couple of hundred dollars for a trumpet, but WOW, it could be very cool. http://www.dumarsengraving.com/ Jim
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