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    Olds serial numbers?

    If an Olds trumpet has a serial number of 487xxx, does that guarantee that it was made circa 1963-1964?

    Or did the company recycle serial numbers the way that Conn did in the 1980's so that a much later Olds trumpet could also have that same serial number?

    I remember reading somewhere that one company distinguished its newer trumpets from the old ones by putting an "A" on the serial number.
    Was that Olds or another company?

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    According to Kirmser, they didn't. I don't know if someone is slapping the Olds name on something nowdays. I have seen the A thing somewhere but can't recall where at the moment.

    As a side note, in looking thru the Olds Central stuff there is a 1973 Olds price list for all their horns and my Cornet would have sold for $194.50, same as the trumpet. I think the Mendez was $485.
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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by screamingmorris View Post
    If an Olds trumpet has a serial number of 487xxx, does that guarantee that it was made circa 1963-1964?

    Or did the company recycle serial numbers the way that Conn did in the 1980's so that a much later Olds trumpet could also have that same serial number?

    I remember reading somewhere that one company distinguished its newer trumpets from the old ones by putting an "A" on the serial number.
    Was that Olds or another company?

    - Morris
    I think I found where I read that "A on the serial number" thing:

    "Yamaha used to put an "A" in the s/n if it was a horn built (assembled?) in USA."
    http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/f139...ers-25450.html (Yamaha Serial Numbers)

    I am still worried about bidding on something if I am unsure about its age.
    The serial number says early 1960's, but the instrument looks newer in terms of the type of metal on the bell.
    If "newer" is mid-1960's I don't mind.
    But if ends up being 1970's or 1980's, I don't want it.

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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    When you see an A in an Olds serial it indicates it was made after October 1977 when they were making both FE Olds and Reynolds in fullerton. See that by going to the bottom on this page Lars Kirmser's Music Trader - Olds Serial Number List And there is more here F. E. Olds and Son Serial Numbers

    The best way to tell if it's a 'new generation' Olds is the non LA or Fullerton city on the bell. Of course, they may have a serial that matches a classic Olds period, be careful.
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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Canuck View Post
    When you see an A in an Olds serial it indicates it was made after October 1977 when they were making both FE Olds and Reynolds in fullerton. See that by going to the bottom on this page Lars Kirmser's Music Trader - Olds Serial Number List And there is more here F. E. Olds and Son Serial Numbers

    The best way to tell if it's a 'new generation' Olds is the non LA or Fullerton city on the bell. Of course, they may have a serial that matches a classic Olds period, be careful.
    If the word "Fullerton" or "LA" is not on the bell, then it is one of the post-1979 imitations?

    Thanks for the info.

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    Last edited by screamingmorris; 05-17-2008 at 03:31 PM.

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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    I think the new "Olds" have Amado (sp?) water keys? None of the "real" Olds have that feature
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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    Hi there i really not sure how to make my way round this site yet looking for someone who may have some information on a Besson & Co cornet prototype its still in its original case and has original mouthpiece serial #96299 it is absolutly beautiful unfortunatly i relly dont play any more

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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    Hi, Bobbie. the best way is to start a new thread and post your question under a Besson title of some sort. Is that the one on Ebay? I am keeping an eye on that one and had reported to the lister that serial number, by my list, dated it to between 1915-20, not later. They were using that type of Bell language then. Carl Fischer was the importer. Besson 's French and English histories are very tangled and murky at times. Horn-u-copia has some good info and photos and there are good French and Kanstul Besson sites, also.
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    Re: Olds serial numbers?

    From what I've read on rouses, the "A" serial numbers were on the "real" olds at around 1979. In the 70's, olds was making a ton of horns, and guess that they did not want to go into the millions Your horn can't be an "A" horn, because the last "A" horn serial number was around 41000, so A41000. This info is available on rouses serial number list.
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    Im looking at an olds ambassador the bell says Olds Ambassador Fullerton CA.
    The owner says the S# is 9732 every place I look the numbers should be like 5 and 6 digits. Is this serial number correct?

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