study888

Hello T.M.er's Wanted to try out the #4 rim of the Schilke's. I have a 1948 King Master Cornet. I was having no problem with my older or newer Bach pieces. So I assumed the Schilkes shank would be the same. Boy was I wrong. The Shanks are half as thick and a differant and maybe a longer taper. The fit is to loose and to close to mouthpipe. Sound is fuzzy and dull. Is there maybe a space insert out there by a music tech or music company? That will give the schilke piece a good fit and correct gap setting? I do like the # 4 rim. If there is such a item. Besides tape or replacing my m.p. reciever. Please post and let me know. Thank you all.

Dale Proctor

I think the taper on Schilke cornet mouthpieces is the same as on Bachs, but they start out a little smaller, so are longer. I have the same problem with them on one of my cornets - it bottoms out in the receiver before it gets tight. The solution is to cut or file a little of the length off.

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Vulgano Brother

Uhhh, are you sure it's a cornet and not a flugelhorn mouthpiece?

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study888

Hello V.B. I have three of them. One a 10B4,12B4,and a 13C4 Schilke cornet mouthpieces. I bought two from Mouthpiece Express and one from Warburton Music off E-bay. All listed as cornet mouthpieces. And that is what is tagged on their Black and gray Schilke Boxes.The Schilke pieces are a 1/8 to 1/16 or maybe a 1/32 inches longer than my Bachs. Set on a high even plane and lay a stiff piece of paper on both and you will see the differance. The Schilkes go in to far and will not seat tight. I was hoping maybe there was a insert type spacer I could use. Or be made by a music tech. May have to take to my Music Tech. to solve. I can use them I hope. With my cornet/trumpet adapter on my L.A.Olds Trumpet after I get the mouthpiece reciever fixed on it. Thanks for your reply.

Tootsall

AND....there is every possibility that the receiver on the '48 King has stretched a bit and is now oversize... which will allow the mouthpiece to sit quite a bit deeper than "design".

Replacement of receivers on vintage instruments is a common "repair/tune-up" operation.

tromj

I agree with Tootsall. It is probably some quirk with the receiver

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Pedal C

I think I remember reading that Schilke believed in having no gap between the end of the shank and the leadpipe inside the reciever. I don't know if that works or not, but maybe the combination of a slightly different shank design and an old worn reciever might make the mouthpiece bottom out. I had the same problem with a brand new Schilke trumpet mouthpiece on an old Bach Bb.

A good repair tech might be able to tell you if a new reciever would help and it may be possible to find a new one even for a horn that old. If you're in or near Colorado, you might try Flesher-Hinton music. No guarantee, but they have a very large parts inventory.

Jason.

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Dale Proctor

I had the same experience with a new Schilke mouthpiece and a fairly new Bach cornet, so it's not a worn or vintage receiver problem. It's a mouthpiece shank length problem. The Schilkes are just too long for some horns. Remember, study888 said his Bach mouthpieces work fine, so there's no need for anyone to suggest replacing the receiver - it's better to fix or change the mouthpiece.

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study888

Thanks to all for info. I have used many other cornet m.p's like D.W. or Sparx and all ages and vintage Bach pieces. I believe Dale Proctor and Pedal C have gotten it right in my case. After I play though these Schilkes on my Trumpet with a cornet/ trumpet Adapter. The one I like the best. I will have my music tech. remove some of the end of its taper to same length as my Bach pieces. And see if the piece snugs up good and plays with right intonation. Cheaper than replacing my original mouthpiece reciever. In a year or so. Plan to rehab. this little cornet and silver plate it. I do like them and the Reynolds Contempora and Argenta. Just right for a small Church setting. DCR is looking for some water keys for his L.A. Olds Ambassador Trumpet. He posted on the T.H. on my Somebody Help Me. Please. topic. Maybe he will post here as well. Thanks again for everones replys.