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    Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    I just purchased a Millereau Flugelhorn. From what I can find it is a French company and was made in the early 1900's. The company was later bought by Selmer. Does anyone have any experience with these or other vintage flugelhorns from this era? It needs to be restored (some soldering, valve redo), but should be fun to play once completed. I'm a sucker for vintage instruments. Here is a photo of an identical one on hornucopia.

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    If you can recommend anyone that does good restoration without breaking the bank I'd appreciate some recommendations. (I know quality and reasonable price don't always go hand in hand but in this case I don't need a perfect restoration like I would on a vintage Martin or Olds, but an overhaul and repair job to make it playable) I live in northern Ohio Thanks!
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    That sounds like a job that a basic tech can do for you for around $70 dollars, if its only minor soldering braces and a simple valve clean and alignment job.
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    On these ol French horns, a valve job usually dos not only mean cleaning and alignment, but re-sleeving the valves and making them airtight... at that time, valve materials were not up to modern standard yet, and instruments from this era tend to be completely played out...
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    Thanks for the input. It should arrive in about a week and I'll get some quotes. Had a (Franken) Bach repaired and was charged $175 locally for 3 weld repairs and a new brace to be installed so may be economical to come to New Zealand - beautifiul place too. Will look into re-sleeving the valves. Is this a replating process or do they actually add metal sleeves and solder them to the valves to add volume? Thanks again and happy new year to both of you.

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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    A valve replate is what you're talking about. They plate the valves, and then home and true the casings to make as perfect a fit as possible. It will probably be about $350+, depending on who you send it to.
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkvinmazz View Post
    A valve replate is what you're talking about. They plate the valves, and then home and true the casings to make as perfect a fit as possible. It will probably be about $350+, depending on who you send it to.
    Thanks, Anyone you can recommend in Ohio? I'm in Solon about 45 minutes from Oberlin. Have used Royalton music - good repairs so will get a quote, but not cheap.

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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    The repair world ain't a cheap place. Actually $70 was too cheap.... I was thinking minor stuff here.
    I've only been to the repairs twice, I repair the horns myself. I've fixed 10 french horns for high schools in our province. :)
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    My experience is of using a high quality repair company they were a little expensive, so when I had a pro horn I bought as a bag of parts, I shopped around.

    I went into a music shop that specialised in instruments for gigging and folk musicians rather than schools and orchestral customers.

    They put me in touch with a tech that does work for them. (I am a cheapskate lol)

    I gave him that parts pro horn from the 1950's, The work needed was:-

    Resolder and reattach the entire third valve slide at the valveblock

    Resolder and reattach the main tuning slide that was detached too

    Resolder the leadpipe to the valveblock

    Fabricate from scratch a new second valve slide, - the original was flattened and split

    Take out a bunch of folds and wrinkles

    Loosen some stuck slides

    New felts new corks

    Make playable

    And a polish

    The entire job came out at 50 english pounds, thats about 62 us dollars.

    So 70 dollars aint too far off the mark for the limited work originally envisaged if you can find the right tech.

    I would definitely start asking around the bands and stores in the area. If you find a good tech they can advise on the valves. And I agree a valve job would be expensive.
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    Re: Vintage Flugels - Millereau (early Selmer) -any info?

    The last time I had a professional repair the labour rate was around A$90/hour, I dont think it has changed much. This is not expensive considering my Doctor charges A$68 for a 10 minute consultation and my Solicitor charges A$450/hour and neither will give a guarantee on their work.

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