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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    O' do I see with me beautiful eyes, oh glorious copy by thou great Taiwan firm?

    Yes, I do! I perhaps think it is a Connstellation Copy in me glorious mind......

    Oh, what compliments from the factory with thy glorious Conn 4 copy?
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by BrassBandMajor View Post
    O' do I see with me beautiful eyes, oh glorious copy by thou great Taiwan firm?

    Yes, I do! I perhaps think it is a Connstellation Copy in me glorious mind......

    Oh, what compliments from the factory with thy glorious Conn 4 copy?
    I was going to go with 15B Director copy, but I guess that works...
    [a few Selmer Melody Makers are marked STR-107, and this model became the STR-100 in 1983...I have a Mello Tone Taiwan herald trumpet with virtually the same valve block, and the pistons are bottom-sprung similar to Conn in even that respect...]
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Didn't you share with us a York trumpet made in Taiwan, last year that looked like a Connstellation?

    I really must try to get a MusikHaus Lange Apollo trumpet, its a connstellation copy and apparently even a better horn!
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by BrassBandMajor View Post
    Didn't you share with us a York trumpet made in Taiwan, last year that looked like a Connstellation?

    I really must try to get a MusikHaus Lange Apollo trumpet, its a connstellation copy and apparently even a better horn!
    I only recall a Roland Meinl "New Constellation", Roedig, DEG, and a few other KHS 28B mimics; there are some Chinese Yorks that are 38B-inspired.
    I recently archived a Gebr. Alexander that looked like a Monke, though EMO or others could have possibly made it...
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Are these copy's anywhere close to original in the way they play?
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    I thin the best copy's of the connstelations being made right now are by kanstul and Adam's- both not cheap but are supposed to be phenomenal horns.
    Lots of old horns...some Bachs, Some conns, A Getzen or two...
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis78 View Post
    Are these copy's anywhere close to original in the way they play?
    The Kanstullation and Adams apparently do. These KHS horns, I have yet to find out, but the Conn 3B/6B herald copy is a nightmare...!
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    I often wonder how far off the import copy's of great American horns really are. Other than the valves I feel the Cecilio 3 series is a pretty good Bach copy.
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    Re: What a...facsimile, perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis78 View Post
    I often wonder how far off the import copy's of great American horns really are. Other than the valves I feel the Cecilio 3 series is a pretty good Bach copy.
    Amati's older pistons aren't bad; they refer to "special acoustic brass" in their catalogs but I really wonder how "acoustic" it is...the Festival trumpet seems to be a Strad-37-inspired horn, so if I can negotiate down this price...

    Regarding KHS copies, I have a few perspectives regarding a cornet they made, that eventually became the Jupiter SCR-520 in 1983...the KHS "British-style" cornet from the late 1960s until about 1988 [they revised the design in 1986 but some old-style horns have serials dating to 1988]...

    I have the Conservarte [Kaman] version but they all share a Besson-inspired [Amati B-1040] wrap with dual tuning slides [main slide and removable knuckle for tuning in A]. It's not perfect, but it's sturdily-built, has a reasonably mellow sound with a deep mouthpiece, and the valves work well. Solid nickel inner slides were a nice surprise, and ChopsGone sums it up well with the "Revere by Stradolin" example [mine isn't marked Taiwan]:

    Quote Originally Posted by ChopsGone View Post
    It just arrived. It has a few minor dings, very slight lacquer loss, and will definitely be cleaned and oiled before I do anything with it. But on closer examination, it's not that shabby a cornet, especially for the price. The receiver tells the tale; it's stamped "Taiwan". Valve caps are dodecahedrons, valve buttons are concave, silvery, and appear to be plastic instead of MOP. Slides are all free, and the male parts appear to be nickel; they're all very clean and smooth. Pistons don't have too much wear, and if I had to guess, I'd say they're Monel. It's substantial-feeling, good heft, and has a serious bell bead. And it's a competent shadow copy of any of several Besson models. It's a shepherd's crook design. Both slides on the leadpipe section are movable. There's a single brace from receiver to bell bow, a pair of similar but smaller baluster braces, and another from bottom of leadpipe to bottom branch of third valve slide. As a wild guess, I'd estimate it to be from the 1970's, perhaps a bit later, and not excessively worn. All in all, I'd still rather have a Bessson, of course, but on the other hand I already have some of those and so far I'm pleased enough with this one.
    "In the ballpark" perhaps

    In addition to Jupiter SCR-520, I've seen it as Conservarte [Kaman], Revere by Stradolin, Swallow [KHS used to claim it as their first band inst. brand from 1957; most examples seem to be from 1969 and beyond], Melody Maker [Selmer UK branch], and Artist [or Artiste]...
    "The Musica man is a Conn man"
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    2005 Yamaha 6310Z trumpet
    2008 Conn-Selmer King 1117SP trumpet
    1972 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
    1972 Conn 24A flügelhorn (Swiss Kurath/Willson stencil)
    1966 Conn 5A Victor cornet
    1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
    1970s Musica Steyr–Austria cornet (Czech Amati B-1038/Bohland-Fuchs 2551 stencil)
    and others

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