What must i do to repair my trumpet - Page 3

jonathan.pranoto · 09-27-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ComeBackKid

OK - you need to read the instructions carefully so go back over them. Again, pull the slides that can be pulled. Leave the ones in that can't be pulled to see if the bath will help to loosen them.

The slides are NOT connected to the valve case. If they were, they would never move. The slides are simply U-shaped tubes that insert into the pipes that are connected to the valve casing. So, the goal is to pull the slides out while leaving the open pipes connected. That is why you pull on the slide at the outer end where the closed end of the U-shape is - that will pull the slide out.

If you know somebody that has a working trumpet, go visit them and look at how the slides and valves are supposed to work. Then you can see what you need to do to try and pull our your slides without damage.

Hello....
Oh sorry I missed it...
Ok than I spray the penetrating oil to the slides that stuck through the hole inside the valve casing as you said before right...?
Oke I'm going to try it first and later I let you know the result..
Oh after you tried this metode to your horn, is your horn slides can move now?
I hope this work..
Thx a lot man!

kcmt01 · 09-27-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFfan

Try soaking the stuck slides in WD 40 or some penetrating oil for several hours at the joint.That may do the trick in loosening them. You might need to be quite patient. There are a number of threads on the subject if you use the "Search" feature. Good luck.

Won't the WD40 also remove the lacquer?

ComeBackKid · 09-29-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kcmt01

Won't the WD40 also remove the lacquer?

Well, that is a point. Whenever I have tried it, I have squirted the WD-40 or other penetrating oil directly inside the slide and minimized the contact with the lacquer on the outside. But, even so, there is some overspray and other contact and I have not had it affect the lacquer so far. Also, we are going on the assumption that all of the lacquer is shot (true for almost all Ambassadors) and that in any event this trumpet is going to wind up as bare brass when it is done. If the penetrating oil doesn't do it, the boiling water/aluminum foil bath certainly will.

ComeBackKid · 09-29-2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonathan.pranoto

... Ok than I spray the penetrating oil to the slides that stuck through the hole inside the valve casing as you said before right...?
Oke I'm going to try it first and later I let you know the result..
Oh after you tried this metode to your horn, is your horn slides can move now?

Yes, spray the oil inside the slide - spray a lot so it will soak everything. When I have tried it, I have had about a 50% success rate. When that didn't work, I had to take the trumpet to the shop. As I said before, if I understand correctly that the main slide will move, then I think you have a good chance of success. The small slides are much easier to pull because they are less likely to bend. Have you looked at a trumpet that is working to see how the slides pull out normally? That will give you a clue.

As far as the seller is concerned, remember - write an email identifying the misrepresentations in his listing. Write two follow-up emails about 3-4 days apart requesting that he respond. Then, file a claim with ebay stating the same issues that you covered in your email to the seller. Ebay will contact the seller. He will answer you then for sure or else Ebay will refund your money.

jonathan.pranoto · 09-30-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComeBackKid

Yes, spray the oil inside the slide - spray a lot so it will soak everything. When I have tried it, I have had about a 50% success rate. When that didn't work, I had to take the trumpet to the shop. As I said before, if I understand correctly that the main slide will move, then I think you have a good chance of success. The small slides are much easier to pull because they are less likely to bend. Have you looked at a trumpet that is working to see how the slides pull out normally? That will give you a clue.

As far as the seller is concerned, remember - write an email identifying the misrepresentations in his listing. Write two follow-up emails about 3-4 days apart requesting that he respond. Then, file a claim with ebay stating the same issues that you covered in your email to the seller. Ebay will contact the seller. He will answer you then for sure or else Ebay will refund your money.

Hi,
thx for your reply...
do you have any suggestion for penetrating oil which is easier to find?and good quality of course..

oh for the cleaning bath metode....
is that ok if the water get in into all the pipe? (or that's the point?)
can you tell me more specific for the part that must wrap with the alumunium foil?
thx a lot before..

veery715 · 09-30-2009, 11:50 AM

1. Don't concern yourself with the aluminum foil yet.

2. Remove all the slides you can. Leave (of course) the stuck ones in place.
3. Unscrew the bottom and top valve caps, pull the piston assemblies and set them aside.

4. Soak the horn as previously directed, for 2 hours. Take a towel, wrap it through the U of the slide, and them clamp the ends in a vise (or a car door, if needed). Hold the horn securely with both hands, supporting well the tubes which contain the stuck slide, and pull the horn so the towel is working against the slide. Try slow steady pressure. If the slide begins to move, spray the newly exposed postion with the lubricant/penetrant and push it gently back in. Work the slide slowly in and out, pushing and pulling, and you should slowly make progress until the slide comes free.

The towel clamped in the vise(door) is a much more secure way to pull out the stuck slide, as it gives you complete control over the trumpet in your hands as you pull on it.

Once a slide comes free, use a snake brush in the cleaning bath to scrub out the outside tube in which the slide moves. Soak, scrub, and repeat to clean out the tubing.

Use brass polish to clean the portion of the slide which fits inside the other tubing. Once both male and female tubes are clean, apply slide grease to the inside tube and, working it in and out slowly, reinstall the slide where it belongs.

Follow others instruction for the valves.

Once you have the slide and valves working you can worry about the exterior of the instrument. Since it is brass/lacquered the aluminum foil method won't help. I would suggest a gentle brass or auto polish and see if that doesn't make the horn look OK. Remember, if it functions OK and is playable, how it looks isn't too important.

veery

kcmt01 · 09-30-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veery715

1. Don't concern yourself with the aluminum foil yet.

2. Remove all the slides you can. Leave (of course) the stuck ones in place.
3. Unscrew the bottom and top valve caps, pull the piston assemblies and set them aside.

4. Soak the horn as previously directed, for 2 hours. Take a towel, wrap it through the U of the slide, and them clamp the ends in a vise (or a car door, if needed). Hold the horn securely with both hands, supporting well the tubes which contain the stuck slide, and pull the horn so the towel is working against the slide. Try slow steady pressure. If the slide begins to move, spray the newly exposed postion with the lubricant/penetrant and push it gently back in. Work the slide slowly in and out, pushing and pulling, and you should slowly make progress until the slide comes free.

The towel clamped in the vise(door) is a much more secure way to pull out the stuck slide, as it gives you complete control over the trumpet in your hands as you pull on it.

Once a slide comes free, use a snake brush in the cleaning bath to scrub out the outside tube in which the slide moves. Soak, scrub, and repeat to clean out the tubing.

Use brass polish to clean the portion of the slide which fits inside the other tubing. Once both male and female tubes are clean, apply slide grease to the inside tube and, working it in and out slowly, reinstall the slide where it belongs.

Follow others instruction for the valves.

Once you have the slide and valves working you can worry about the exterior of the instrument. Since it is brass/lacquered the aluminum foil method won't help. I would suggest a gentle brass or auto polish and see if that doesn't make the horn look OK. Remember, if it functions OK and is playable, how it looks isn't too important.

veery

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jonathan.pranoto · 10-23-2009, 03:08 AM

Hello alll....
I tried all the metode and it's work....the tuning slide and the other slide which is near the tuning slide move freely now...
The 2 other slide are stuck...but I gave them wd-40 and its work......now all the slide move freely....
All I need to do now is order the valve rebuild kit...
thx a lot all..

SteveRicks · 10-23-2009, 07:56 PM

I recently acquired a 66 Bach Strad -like new except for a stuck first valve slide. I tried the several day WD40 soak followed with towel pull. No luck. After a post on line, a former repair tech said to try a hair dryer to expand the outer tube -with tube still holding a good bit of WD40. Worked perfectly.

When you pull using a towel, have another set of hands to help. You DON'T want the slide to suddenly come loose and dent a part of the horn.

Steve

kingtrumpet · 10-23-2009, 08:28 PM

And We should all thank you for asking the questions, to help everyone learn. I have same problems with Reynolds trumpet (2 of them) that I got off Ebay. (they were $60 each so I can't justify taking to the shop - but they sound great, and I still need to clean them, but penetrating oil did wonders so far. They look like junk - but they sound great. Also - sounding good takes time - practice, practice, and more practice - you will be a trumpet player, if that is what you want to be!!
ken

09-30-2009, 11:50 AM	#26
veery715 Forte User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 1,433	Re: What must i do to repair my trumpet 1. Don't concern yourself with the aluminum foil yet. 2. Remove all the slides you can. Leave (of course) the stuck ones in place. 3. Unscrew the bottom and top valve caps, pull the piston assemblies and set them aside. 4. Soak the horn as previously directed, for 2 hours. Take a towel, wrap it through the U of the slide, and them clamp the ends in a vise (or a car door, if needed). Hold the horn securely with both hands, supporting well the tubes which contain the stuck slide, and pull the horn so the towel is working against the slide. Try slow steady pressure. If the slide begins to move, spray the newly exposed postion with the lubricant/penetrant and push it gently back in. Work the slide slowly in and out, pushing and pulling, and you should slowly make progress until the slide comes free. The towel clamped in the vise(door) is a much more secure way to pull out the stuck slide, as it gives you complete control over the trumpet in your hands as you pull on it. Once a slide comes free, use a snake brush in the cleaning bath to scrub out the outside tube in which the slide moves. Soak, scrub, and repeat to clean out the tubing. Use brass polish to clean the portion of the slide which fits inside the other tubing. Once both male and female tubes are clean, apply slide grease to the inside tube and, working it in and out slowly, reinstall the slide where it belongs. Follow others instruction for the valves. Once you have the slide and valves working you can worry about the exterior of the instrument. Since it is brass/lacquered the aluminum foil method won't help. I would suggest a gentle brass or auto polish and see if that doesn't make the horn look OK. Remember, if it functions OK and is playable, how it looks isn't too important. veery

10-23-2009, 03:08 AM	#28
jonathan.pranoto New Friend Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 28	Re: What must i do to repair my trumpet Hello alll.... I tried all the metode and it's work....the tuning slide and the other slide which is near the tuning slide move freely now... The 2 other slide are stuck...but I gave them wd-40 and its work......now all the slide move freely.... All I need to do now is order the valve rebuild kit... thx a lot all..

10-23-2009, 07:56 PM	#29
SteveRicks Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 95	Re: What must i do to repair my trumpet I recently acquired a 66 Bach Strad -like new except for a stuck first valve slide. I tried the several day WD40 soak followed with towel pull. No luck. After a post on line, a former repair tech said to try a hair dryer to expand the outer tube -with tube still holding a good bit of WD40. Worked perfectly. When you pull using a towel, have another set of hands to help. You DON'T want the slide to suddenly come loose and dent a part of the horn. Steve __________________ Steve 1946 Olds Super 1953 Olds Super 1962 Olds Super 1952 Olds Recording 1966 Bach Strad 1970 Bach Strad Kanstul 1502

10-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#30
kingtrumpet New Friend Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 16	Re: What must i do to repair my trumpet And We should all thank you for asking the questions, to help everyone learn. I have same problems with Reynolds trumpet (2 of them) that I got off Ebay. (they were $60 each so I can't justify taking to the shop - but they sound great, and I still need to clean them, but penetrating oil did wonders so far. They look like junk - but they sound great. Also - sounding good takes time - practice, practice, and more practice - you will be a trumpet player, if that is what you want to be!! ken

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