Liad Bar-EL

Is the date the only factor to consider in order to establish what is considered a vintage trumpet? If so, then what is that date?

Would vintage also has any consideration if the horn is still in production or is no longer being produced?

Liad Bar-EL

dcstep

With cars and guitars we tend to think it terms of 25-30 years old. Mid-70s cars are certainly considered "collectible" and I hear "vintage".

I think it has nothing to do with whether it's still in production. Some could argue that Bach Strads are still much the same over the years. I'd say that the moves through different manufacturing facilities and different managements change the character of the horns. Selmer Paris has not moved in well over '50 years, yet you can see the character of their trumpets move away from their heritage and then move back closer to it as family members in management changed.

So, a nice arbitrary, moving date is the best way, in my estimation. For me, 30-years seems like a good demarcation point.

If you make "vintage" and "collectible" equivalent, then I'd say that the point would be when the market value starts rising. For instance, a mint Bach starts around $1800 these days and (forgetting inflation) will drop to around $900. At some point, it's likely to start growing in value again. If that's two years from now (say Bachs all start coming from China) then it's not "vintage" but it's "collectible".

In contrast, a Simba trumpet available for $160 today, will be worth, say $25 a year from now and may never increase in value again. Still, if in 2086 the Simba is still worth only $25, then those of us still alive would not likely complain if the seller called it "vintage."

Dave

Liad Bar-EL

So, would my 1957 Schilke be considered vintage?

Liad Bar-EL

dcstep

No doubt.

Solar Bell

Liad here is a link to the Schilke Loyalist.

http://www.dallasmusic.org/schilke/M...tage%20trumpet

The pictures on the link are to my friend's 1958 Schilke which I have played many times.

If you read the article (very short) you will see that your your serial number on your 57 Schilke will give you the date of the horn.

-cw-

Liad Bar-EL

Old man Schilke who was probably the nices guy I ever met, pointed that out to me when he saw my horn while we both were in Interlochen Music camp. He told me that he made it in his basement and would like to have it back. He was willing to trade a new horn for it, in fact.

The number of the horn is 3857. Correct me if I am wrong for I keep getting the dates mixed up between the American system and the European system; so, I think the horn was made in March 8, 1957.

Liad Bar-EL

Liad Bar-EL

I have heard it said that my horn is so old that they could buy two new horns for the price of my horn; so, I am wondering if the "vintage" aspect affect the valued price of a horn?

Liad Bar-EL

dcstep

Depends on the horn. A large bore 1947 Committee might set you back $2000. I good New York Bach and Chicago Benge will be in that range and sometimes higher. OTOH, you can buy tons of Selmer Paris, King, Conn, Elkhard Bach, etc. for under $1000.

I don't think price is the deciding factor.

Dave

Liad Bar-EL

I guess you're right. I think that it also depends on the person as well.

Rick Baptist, who collects Schilkes, wanted to buy mine for a very low price. I am sure that there are others who would pay much more.

Liad Bar-EL

dcstep

Whoa. Old Schilkes (from the late '50s and early '60s) are more valuable than current production.

A friend has Tommy Loy's old B1 from the '60s. If he'd ever sell it, I'd expect to pay around $2000. (He'll never sell it, I'm certain).

Dave