A Breakthrough.........maybe

wiseone2 · 04-11-2009, 09:59 AM

After many, many years the little finger is using the fingerhook.
More info to come.
Wilmer

BrassOnLine · 04-11-2009, 10:10 AM

CONGRATULATIONS !!!
Mine still moving toghether with the third piston...

Darthsunshine · 04-11-2009, 11:51 PM

Hmmm. I'm going the other direction with age. Trying to get used to not resting the little guy in the hook at the suggestion of my teacher.

bagmangood · 04-12-2009, 12:18 AM

Does it give you an extra octave?

Brekelefuw · 04-12-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bagmangood

Does it give you an extra octave?

I was just about to congratulate Wilmer on his new octave, but you beat me to it.

Lately, I have been using less and less of it. I am finding the ones on my horns increasingly uncomfortable. I am going to make some special ones this summer that fit my hands.

tedh1951 · 04-12-2009, 03:09 AM

I think, and I hope you will correct me if I've got it askew, that most of us need to keep our 'pinky' out of the hook / ring, because the musculature of the third finger is more restricted in the up direction than any other finger and we compensate by keeping the 'pinky' free. That is, we allow both the third and fourth fingers to work upwards in concert. If we restrict the 'pinky', for most of us, that will also restrict the third finger, meaning the third valve operation is compromised.

Bagpipe players (pipers) do an exercise to overcome this weakness by placing their hand palm down, flat on the table and then concentrate on lifting ONLY the third finger - try it, see what you find - see how far the other fingers lift in comparison - now let your 'pinky' run unrestrained. (The sound from the bagpipes comes out of the finger holes, as well as every other hole in the damn thing, but fingers out-of-the-way means better sound - watch a good piper, see how high the fingers all lift.)

It is educational to watch a good piper when they are playing 7-note grace notes, with NO TIME allotted in the score, trumpeters do that a bit too - but not to the same extent. Pipers also have to contend with a "weapon of war" that does not have chromatic range and only 9 notes altogether.

My recommendation FWIW, is to leave the 'pinky' unrestrained.

Mr. Wise - you must have amazingly agile hands, but then you ARE a professional, so I guess it is not surprising. My stumpy little hands and fingers are used in a different trade - I'm not an artist - I swing spanners, and rigid, solid, short, stumpy, little, hands are ideal - but they are a fair b**ger when playing trumpet.

Pedal C · 04-12-2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedh1951

fingers out-of-the-way means better sound - watch a good piper, see how high the fingers all lift

I always wondered why they did that!

bagmangood · 04-12-2009, 02:14 PM

Oh god bagpipes
run away from the hills

wiseone2 · 04-12-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedh1951

I think, and I hope you will correct me if I've got it askew, that most of us need to keep our 'pinky' out of the hook / ring, because the musculature of the third finger is more restricted in the up direction than any other finger and we compensate by keeping the 'pinky' free. That is, we allow both the third and fourth fingers to work upwards in concert. If we restrict the 'pinky', for most of us, that will also restrict the third finger, meaning the third valve operation is compromised.

Bagpipe players (pipers) do an exercise to overcome this weakness by placing their hand palm down, flat on the table and then concentrate on lifting ONLY the third finger - try it, see what you find - see how far the other fingers lift in comparison - now let your 'pinky' run unrestrained. (The sound from the bagpipes comes out of the finger holes, as well as every other hole in the damn thing, but fingers out-of-the-way means better sound - watch a good piper, see how high the fingers all lift.)

It is educational to watch a good piper when they are playing 7-note grace notes, with NO TIME allotted in the score, trumpeters do that a bit too - but not to the same extent. Pipers also have to contend with a "weapon of war" that does not have chromatic range and only 9 notes altogether.

My recommendation FWIW, is to leave the 'pinky' unrestrained.

Mr. Wise - you must have amazingly agile hands, but then you ARE a professional, so I guess it is not surprising. My stumpy little hands and fingers are used in a different trade - I'm not an artist - I swing spanners, and rigid, solid, short, stumpy, little, hands are ideal - but they are a fair b**ger when playing trumpet.

I can palm a basketball!
My little finger simply rests in the finger ring. After all these years I am not about to start using the right hand death grip

Wilmer

willbarber · 04-12-2009, 07:21 PM

I like putting it on top of the fingerhook, actually pushing a little bit away rather than pulling in.
I used to do that ring-finger exercise in piano lessons, with each finger separately.
I think you only need your right hand to push the valves, not to support the trumpet. That's what I use my left hand for.

04-11-2009, 09:59 AM	#1
wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Fortissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brooklyn,NY Posts: 2,870	A Breakthrough.........maybe After many, many years the little finger is using the fingerhook. More info to come. Wilmer __________________ Be sure Brain is engaged before putting Mouthpiece in gear. S.Suark 1951

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BrassOnLine Piano User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spain Posts: 308	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe CONGRATULATIONS !!! Mine still moving toghether with the third piston... __________________ F. Pérez Historical Brass Instruments Super-Horns & Custom Trumpets www.Baroque-Trumpets.com

04-11-2009, 11:51 PM	#3
Darthsunshine Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 551	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe Hmmm. I'm going the other direction with age. Trying to get used to not resting the little guy in the hook at the suggestion of my teacher. __________________ Glen Ferguson 1977 LA Benge 3C 1976 LA Benge 3X+ 1972 LA Benge 5x 1963 Burbank Benge Eb/D 1959 Olds Amb. cornet w/ Getzen shep crook bell

04-12-2009, 12:18 AM	#4
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 946	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe Does it give you an extra octave? __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Selmer Paris, ~1971

04-12-2009, 03:09 AM	#6
tedh1951 Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,421	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe I think, and I hope you will correct me if I've got it askew, that most of us need to keep our 'pinky' out of the hook / ring, because the musculature of the third finger is more restricted in the up direction than any other finger and we compensate by keeping the 'pinky' free. That is, we allow both the third and fourth fingers to work upwards in concert. If we restrict the 'pinky', for most of us, that will also restrict the third finger, meaning the third valve operation is compromised. Bagpipe players (pipers) do an exercise to overcome this weakness by placing their hand palm down, flat on the table and then concentrate on lifting ONLY the third finger - try it, see what you find - see how far the other fingers lift in comparison - now let your 'pinky' run unrestrained. (The sound from the bagpipes comes out of the finger holes, as well as every other hole in the damn thing, but fingers out-of-the-way means better sound - watch a good piper, see how high the fingers all lift.) It is educational to watch a good piper when they are playing 7-note grace notes, with NO TIME allotted in the score, trumpeters do that a bit too - but not to the same extent. Pipers also have to contend with a "weapon of war" that does not have chromatic range and only 9 notes altogether. My recommendation FWIW, is to leave the 'pinky' unrestrained. Mr. Wise - you must have amazingly agile hands, but then you ARE a professional, so I guess it is not surprising. My stumpy little hands and fingers are used in a different trade - I'm not an artist - I swing spanners, and rigid, solid, short, stumpy, little, hands are ideal - but they are a fair b*ger when playing trumpet. __________________ . Ted Last edited by tedh1951; 04-12-2009 at 03:25 AM.*

04-12-2009, 02:14 PM	#8
bagmangood Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish & San Francisco Posts: 946	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe Oh god bagpipes run away from the hills __________________ Bb: Courtois 305 "Elite" C: Bach C180-239 (Akwright conversion), Cornet: Conn Wonder (1900) Picc: Selmer Paris, ~1971

04-12-2009, 07:21 PM	#10
willbarber Piano User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Medina, NY Posts: 294	Re: A Breakthrough.........maybe I like putting it on top of the fingerhook, actually pushing a little bit away rather than pulling in. I used to do that ring-finger exercise in piano lessons, with each finger separately. I think you only need your right hand to push the valves, not to support the trumpet. That's what I use my left hand for. __________________ 1994 Bach Stradivarius Model 43 Holton Collegiate Trumpet Brasswind Pocket Trumpet Call me Will. Schilke 10a4 Schilke 10b4 Giardinelli 7C Yamaha 11 Bach 3C

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