wiseone2

Since it's New Year's Eve..............Let's Party
I stumbled on these videos. Faddis is the screamer on "Y.M.C.A.", Earl Gardner plays lead on "In the Navy. I am telling on them because they refused to pay the "hush money" to me. Ernie and Bernie were on some of the dates, so was Lew Soloff and Allan Rubin. I was there for moral support Oh........Victor Paz was there too.
Turn up the volume!!!!!!!!
I am going to look for my polyester jumpsuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Eqw...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7blU...elated&search=

..........what the heck........ here's "Macho Man"............the brass are killin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZRtE...elated&search=

Wilmer

asd

With all due respect, this kind of thing really bugs me as these guy's have gone on to make a fortune in the music industry. Some of us, a lot of us, with equal talents have gone on to continue to play those embarrasing tunes year after year, or their modern day horrific equivalants.

I know rants are not appreciated here, so I'll desist. Please no flames. its a holiday, and a religious holiday for some. So I hope you will excuse my rant (but not the meaning.)

Happy New Year to all of you and thanks with the Eclipse post.

And get on the Woody Shaw site we were lucky to have been made aware of and LISTEN TO WOODY TALK.

wiseone2

Someone made tons of money on the Village People, I don't think the performers got rich.
I am not embarrassed to say I was on those dates. The level of playing, if you listen to the band, is outstanding. The music is for partying. It was never the intention to create great art.
All the years I played with the Brooklyn Philharmonic never once was I asked to play "YMCA," if I were playing at the Vanguard the same would hold true.
We can not, and should not compare the Village People with Woody Shaw.
Wilmer

wiseone2

I know the previous post was not intended as a comparison, that was my fault.

There has always for some reason been a link between pop music and jazz.
Billy Joel with Phil Woods and Freddie Hubbard. The Isley Brothers used Lammar Wright and Dud Bascombe on "Twist and Shout." Johnny Coles is one of the players on that dance classic......."The Horse"
Anyway.......
Happy New Year,
Wilmer

asd

Oh...I think I am misreprenting myself here. I am talking here of Soloff and Faddis. Unfortunately I'm a bit too young to have made the boom that was to be made in the jazz trpt world in the very late 70s and a bit too old to survive the post Wynton side show.

There was such a paucity of new jazz trumpet players in the 70s that Art Blakey had to hire Woody Shaw and Bill Hardman on a regular basis as there was, in effect, no one else. I was lucky to see Bill Hardman with Boo in the mid 70s.

But Soloff came to be known to jazz and studio through a commerical group. Lew is one of the great lead players--not one of the great jazz players. But again, in the late 70s, when Tom Harrell could not perform with Horace Silver, it was Soloff who took his place. In today's world, Soloff or a player of Soloff's abilites in jazz would not be asked to play with Horace Silver.

As for Faddis, like Marsalis, they recieved high profile gigs before they were ready, but the playing field was extreemly limited. Faddis joined Mingus when he was 18, in the early 70s, and his claim to fame was playing some of Dizzy's more rudimentary "licks" an octave above. People went nuts. Again, in today's world, Faddis would never have been chosen to play with Mingus, but again the playing field was highly limited. Faddis, to be sure would have become a lead player, but not with the instant adolecent success that he enjoyed. As an after thought, Jack Walrath was not at the calibre to play with Mingus during the 70s either, but it menat hiring someone like Ted Curson again.

As for Marsalis, he has had the good grace in RECENT years to admit that he was only playing scales and thus implying that he was not ready to be considered for exposure with Art Blakey.

In the end, it was really Tom Harrell, a very ill, but highly talented young man in the mid 70s, who ended the trumpet enui that has always been atributed to Wynton Marsalis more than 4 years later when recording of him and Herbie Hancock begain to surface and the rest is, as they say, history.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

Wilmer, you know where I am coming from when I make these statements

Nordic Trumpet

I love disco and I'm not afraid to admit it! In fact, I think the 70s is the best decade that the world has ever seen in regards to popular music. And as Wilmer pointed out, the musicians were really good then.

Siegtrmpt

So why not take a chance and compose some music, produce it on disc and market it to the public?

Nordic Trumpet

ASD, you sure are a bloke with opinions. It's got to be good to have all the answers. How does it feel? ;)

Just kidding. I have to say you must be one hell of a player the way you write about certain very skilled players here. But everyone is entitled to their opinion..

asd

My composed music, both in jazz and "classical" music, trumpet playing, and publcations are all available from various university presses and recordings.

If you are interested in purchasing any of the publications or recordings you can do so by contacting me personally.

N.B.

Wilmer--I've started a landslide!! Maybe you should weigh in in some manner!!!! Help!!!

asd

Well, some people like the way I play, actually a lot of people. The ones who know me anyways.

But what i write above is not really an opinion or even a bias, it's how the 70s went. I saw this happen. So did a lot of other people. Lots of other people. Wilmer??

The only opinion I opined, perhaps, was concerning Tom Harrell in relation to Wynton Marsalis. But even then, if you check the recordings, the live bands, and the overal chronology, you begin to see a pattern emerging. I'll leave to you, as a jazz trumpet player to do that research--I did. And again, so did a lot of people my age--and a long time ago.

I'll leave fairness (no such thing) and other pretty nasty things that don't belong in a forum like this out of it.