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Old 10-13-2009, 09:23 PM   #11
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Re: Double C............who needs it?

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By the end of the century there were teenage girls swimming fater than Weismuller's record.
i hate it when girls swim fater...

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...as seen in various threads in Trumpet Herald over the last 2 years...

...Nobody said that a trumpet player should focus on high notes while neglecting other aspects of trumpet playing...
if you've been hanging out at TH, then you know people are saying exactly that all the time...
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:18 PM   #12
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Re: Double C............who needs it?

Johnny Weismuller of "Tarzan" fame won a gold medal for swimming in the Olympic games of the 1920's.
By the end of the century there were teenage girls swimming fater than Weismuller's record.

Points well taken,but, did Johnny W. play the OBOE or made it to Broadway as did Lex Barker of NY State - the other Tarzan :) .
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There is a great album by Maynard Ferguson playing jazz standards no screaming just fine jazz playing. Maynard could scream but he could also play very tasteful jazz when he wanted too
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Re: Double C............who needs it?

If you're playing MF, Sandoval or Bergeron music(their parts), you'll be playing DHC. if you're improvising and wish to play a DHC, it needs to be there. With that said, it's just another note.
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Re: Double C............who needs it?

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I played all the Clarke solos when I was in high school, and I don't recall any notes higher than the high F. I had a collection of Clarke on 78s.
In the 40 years that I have lived and worked in NYC I have never had a part with DHC.
I will say it again........... You don't need a DCH to succeed as a player. Ray Crisara, Bernie Glow, Mannie Klien were not DHC players. They were greats!
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Ray Crisara, Bernie Glow, Mannie Klien were not DHC players. They were greats!
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And it doesn't get any better than those guys.

I believe that Gozzo didn't have DHC either.
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I have NEVER seen a double C on a gig that I played. There were high Cs on the piccolo trumpet in "Crazy for You," but I have never been asked to play those notes anywhere else.
I have never understood the fixation on high notes that seems to be in vogue today. It has been my privilege to play with some legends, many did NOT play double Cs.
Music is much more complex than just playing high notes.
Each day I work on sound, articulation and musical awareness. I work on playing the horn from bottom to top. The top notes are only part of the whole picture.
Work on the "Top Tones" book to see what I mean
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I may never need it.

But I want it.

It is also not my focal point of my practicing, it actually plays a very small part of my practice/lessons.
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Re: Double C............who needs it?

who needs double c?

-well you are obviously not acquainted with men's psychology. double C needs the same guy hwo needs ..... well you know.... this is unapropriate to write down but you know what 75% of the man want. They want it only because of their EGO. Actually its the same with cars (to be polite) who needs big car, you will only have problem with parking. Also who needs big house, you will only spend more on heating, etc..etc.. but your ego wil be satisfied

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Re: Double C............who needs it?

so less take a look at who's workin' dem dubba c's hard and who ain't. who's got more work? who's done more work than at a higher level most of us can hope for? dass right. Wilmer is da man. i'll choose his path. youse guys can waste ya time on dubba c's an' blow out ya face. i'll take ya gig when youse can' play it 'cause ya shotcha lip.

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I played all the Clarke solos when I was in high school, and I don't recall any notes higher than the high F. I had a collection of Clarke on 78s.
In the 40 years that I have lived and worked in NYC I have never had a part with DHC.
I will say it again........... You don't need a DCH to succeed as a player. Ray Crisara, Bernie Glow, Mannie Klien were not DHC players. They were greats!
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At the 1973 National Trumpet Symposium in Denver, attended by my father, one clinic speaker played for the audience an ancient recording of Herbert Clark playing a Double High C immediately followed by a Pedal C.
A copy of that clinic was sold on cassette tape.

I said that trumpet players in High School are being required to play notes like High F in public concerts, and here is proof:

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Alright I am a sophmore in high school and right now my range on a good day is about pedal c to f# above c above the staff. And My teacher has me doing throat opening excercises to "fatten" my tone up there.
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"Is your teacher a private teacher or one provided by your public school?
Are you actually being required to play High F's and High G's in school?"


Yes My teacher is a private teacher. And Yes In my Jazz one this year We played a song written by Bobby Shew(one of my band directors close freinds)from the movie a star is born called evergreen.It started on flugel and within 8 measures of rest i was on h igh f. The last note was written in as a Double C!!!

http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/f131...elp-40183.html (Need Range Help!!!)

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Ok, So next year is my band director's last year after being director at our school for 32 years, he is retiring, I am going to miss him.
I quess he wants to make his last marching show big, really BIG and HIGH .
In one of the pieces there are two G's above the staff [later clarified in the thread to be High G's above High C], but they are both just quarter notes, so I quess it is not that bad. But the thing is I cant play that high. I only have a D above the staff.
Also at the end of the same piece there is a Bb above the staff then a gliss up to an F# and it is held for two measures.
Help please I wan't my band directors last show to be sweet.
Only one of our trumpets players has a G.
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My high school band director would do this same thing. He ruined several trumpeters, including a good friend of mine by placing them on jet tone mp's and having unrealistic expectations. We were at a contest once where my friend "crashed and burned" on a Maynard tune that my director had programed. Mike Vax was a judge and he came up on stage and really let my band director have it. One of his comment was "How can you expect a 16 or 17 year old kid to play a Maynard chart when Maynard himself at that age was getting his fundamentals together and learning to play the trumpet. He continued to state that he only knew one lead player that could play this work at such a young age and that player was Jon Faddis". Play the G's down and octave don't kill yourself trying to get them out. Get a good teacher and study the right way building your range and getting your basics together.

Forum: trumpetherald.com

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Of course, if a High School student is required to have reliable High F's and High G's in public concerts, then he must be able to play unreliable notes higher than that High F/G in his private practice sessions.

So, Wilmer, you want to know what those high notes are good for?
They are necessary for satisfying the requirements of modern-day sheet music and modern-day school band directors.

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